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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here ready to go with a special

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Wednesday afternoon version of UFO news

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network Sunday we've got a jam-packed

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show a fantastic guest my co-host today

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chant is going to bring her in in just a

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moment we've got a little bit of news

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we're going to discuss I'm pretty

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confident that I know exactly where all

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the very best UFO data goes for the US

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military

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I'm gonna talk about that a little bit

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later and lay that out but first things

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first that we've got a fantastic guest

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so let me bring in my coast chant Hannah

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and chant good afternoon well good

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morning to you good afternoon from the

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east how are you today and why don't you

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introduce our special guests okay I'm

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doing great Frank thank you so much yes

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we have a very special guest on today we

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have Paola Harris an Italian American

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photojournalist

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and investigative reporter in the field

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of UFOs and extraterrestrial related

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phenomena research she is also a widely

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published freelance writer especially in

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Europe she has studied extraterrestrial

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related phenomena since 1979 and is on

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personal terms with many of the leading

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researchers in the field from 1980

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through 1986 she assisted dr. J Allen

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Hynek with his UFO investigations and

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has interviewed many top military

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witnesses concerning their involvement

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in the government truth embargo in 97

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miss Harris met and interviewed Colonel

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Philip Corso in Roswell New Mexico and

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became a personal friend and confidant

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she was instrumental in having his book

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the day after Roswell for which she

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wrote the preface translated into

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Italian she returned to Roswell in the

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summer of 2003 for the American debut of

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her newly revised book connecting the

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dots making sense of the UFO phenomena

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her second book is entitled how do you

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speak to a ball of light details

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possible conclusions to UFO enigma and

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orbs and spheres of light one of pale is

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most recently published books

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Exopolitics stargate - a new reality

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contains 23 new exciting interviews with

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international expert witnesses and has

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also been translated into Italian and

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Spanish her book all of the above all

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the above and beyond has ten earner view

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contactees about meeting human-like

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extraterrestrials who are coming off

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ships to interact with humans in Latin

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America released in 2018 her latest book

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conversations with Colonel Corso details

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the armies and Corsos role and

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alien technology and the Pentagon miss

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harris has her own youtube channel and

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is also in the video fast walkers put

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out by safe space producer robert miles

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and her interview of canadian former

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Minister of Defence Paul Hellyer has

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been translated into four languages and

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many of her interviews are on YouTube

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she has spoken all through Europe

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Belgium of the importance of full

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disclosure her new production company

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star works USA produces these star works

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USA Laughlin UFOs and consciousness

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November conferences it will continue to

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bring international speakers to the USA

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the intention being to promote

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disclosure consciousness-raising an EXO

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political dialogue worldwide Paola lives

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in Longmont Colorado and travels to Rome

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and Italy often she has a master's

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degree in education

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she teaches history and photojournalism

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and online classes in Exopolitics for

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dr. michael Salas Exopolitics Institute

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for which she is an international

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liaison director welcome Paola

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well I it's easier to say Paula Harris

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let's do fall out it falls in America

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yeah for the American audience Paula

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loves really hard you know so I think

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Paula would be good in think you I've

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been looking forward to this you've been

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writing to me so I've been following you

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on facebook

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wonderful we're so glad to have you here

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the show with us well thanks it's

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important that you know we talked about

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this because this subject is something

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that I dream about should be in the

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university I mean what's happened is

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it's become a fringe subject

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entertainment little great aliens a lot

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of silliness and I you know having a

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master's in education and being a high

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school English teacher for 30 years I

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really want to talk to serious people

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about all of the data which is so much

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out there I mean and I wish we could do

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that in a university setting so I'm

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gonna say that right off the bat that

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well real quick I want to jump right in

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and I looked over all your stuff and

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you've covered a lot of ground over the

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years but I've got to tell you I've got

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a real fascination for anything related

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to UFOs going back to the Truman years

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and the first case the one that got

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everybody's attention back in the summer

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of 1947 was the Kenneth Arnold case not

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too long ago you had the opportunity to

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interview Kim Arnold and who's the

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daughter of that Kenneth Arnold

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I loved the interview I thought it was

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fantastic how did you find camera did

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she find you how did all that come about

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well I've been on coast to coast and and

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Arnold's granddaughter came on and after

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speak to me

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shanell her name is Janelle and that's

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Kenneth Arnold's granddaughter so I you

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know contact her she left her telephone

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number and I said can I speak to your

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mom and really it was very very tense

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because Kim Arnold did not want to speak

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she I'm Neil and journalist that ever

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got to her she said because ever since

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her father had this sighting and this is

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have gone through how that she didn't

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want it you know she was a little girl

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yeah well look through it again the

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people went after them that they came to

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their house that you know they accused

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her father of being a liar and you know

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what she I want to deal with all

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the UFO community and I'm gonna add

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Colonel Corso said the same thing he

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sorry he ever read the book he said the

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whole community as you know came after

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him to in the sad part Frank is that our

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own people our own researchers become

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the debunkers they don't do the

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background they don't do the homework

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all they do is it's just anybody that

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comes out of the woodwork with somebody

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like Colonel Corso who worked in the

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Pentagon went through hell so he never

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we ended up bringing him to Europe and

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that's enough yes I'm here low yep okay

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yeah you broke up a little bit sorry

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well he's Europe is well I'll

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again it's a really fascinating case

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basically he was flying east that he was

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a salesman and had a large enough

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territory that he literally used to fly

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out and see his customers and he was

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flying east roughly towards Mount

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of view down towards Mount Hood and

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because he had sort of those mile

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markers to determine the speed he

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1500 miles an hour give or take I don't

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have the details in front of me but he

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estimated this enormous speed and that

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of course in those days there was no

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aircraft on earth capable of flying at

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those kind of speeds and that's what

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really got his attention that's what got

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national attention and that's what got

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the Air Force's attention as well of

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course the Air Force came out they

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interviewed him they investigated the

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case and they basically gave him sort of

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their seal of approval that this guy's a

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solid witness and that we think he saw

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what he said he saw and that as you're

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saying that

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seemed to help with the public too much

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he got a lot of heat from the public I

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want a negative reaction you're saying

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yeah yeah and some researchers I mean

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researchers in general that was 1947

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remember 1947 is a big year the reason

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why I can assign old assailants is he

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coined the phrase flying saucer but 1947

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so 1947 but I've been researching a

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crash in San Antonio New Mexico 1945 so

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and I've been working on it for seven

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years so the Army Air Force at that time

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it was not just the Air Force they were

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together know about UFOs they knew about

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it I mean if you're having crashes in

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the New Mexico area right after the

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atomic bomb goes off you're not going to

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throw away all the stuff you're not

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going to not pay attention and the one

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after the atomic bomb went off in

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atomic bomb explosion somebody's

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attention was captured in other words

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somebody out there in an all the you

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that's just species have gone into the

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nuclear age Paula you're talking about

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the law needs more incident right and

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the out came a little bit that came in

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August of 1947 yeah 45 not 27 two years

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the thing the thing is that if there is

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a crash and it's called a San Antonio

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crash people can go online too

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little boy's room Ibaka and Jose Padilla

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saw the crash saw the craft went up to

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it reported it to the Army Air Force it

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took a week to clean up all these

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witnesses this happened the same year as

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area then the Army Air Force knows that

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there are UFOs already in 45 before

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Kenneth Arnold before because they're

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seeing them there's pictures of them

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over the Trinity site where we exploded

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the bomb for me as a researcher the

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explosion of the atomic bomb started all

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the UFO activity yeah getting back to

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sighting and that initially got a lot of

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attention in a lot of ways he sort of

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became the very first UFO researcher he

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really got into it did Kim go into any

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all that a little bit I mean it was

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obviously fascinated by it

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yeah but they you know like anybody they

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try to deflect him he was interested in

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the Mori Island case that you probably

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read about oh yeah what he believes he

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believes was real but they tried to

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convince him was it basically trouble

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because it was being kept secret and you

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can't ask too many questions

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well that Maury Island case was quite a

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case because two of the the two

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investigators who had actually

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originally interviewed Arnold went they

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are investigated that case as well

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they picked up some sort of fragment

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from the UFO that it had dropped some

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sort of like molten metal into a boat I

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believe that the one of the witnesses

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was on and they picked it up and they

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were actually killed in a plane crash

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while they were flying back to their

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base yeah well they are trying to

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complete their investigation it's

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actually considered the first incident

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we're witness claimed that a man in

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black intimidated them him into silence

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and it took place before the Roswell

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crash there are many similarities

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between the two yeah but it's Roswell

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crash and the Roswell crash is a crash

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this is people reporting UFOs in the

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newspaper and it's getting attention so

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we got a look at the media attention and

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and this upset if you're watching

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Project Blue Book's on the History

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Channel any kind of mention in the

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newspapers can upset the powers that

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want to control this right yes yeah now

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you had mentioned Project Blue Book and

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I'm assuming very early on when you

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started researching UFOs this is when

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you came a came in contact with J Allen

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Hynek so once you tell us a little bit

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know the movie movie Close Encounters

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was like I'm not interested in you

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that's awesome I mean I was not

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interested but I was teaching school

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because I'm masters in education

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teaching science fiction and I saw Close

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Encounters in 79 blue book began in 1952

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20 years before it ended in 69 here at

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the University of Colorado with the

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condom committee comes a report that

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just whitewashed the whole thing in a

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wall about that here in Colorado bad

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karma you know whitewashed it so I

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didn't meet Alan until ten years later

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in 1979 1980 when I saw Close Encounters

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and I I went to his house in Evanston

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not his house but the Center for UFO

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studies in Evanston Illinois and there

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he was and with you know what I must

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step out to me what's happening here on

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television they don't give him the pipe

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the whole time with Allen the whole the

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whole six years he never took that pipe

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out of his mouth I mean he was chewing

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on it he smoked it

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there's no pipe here I'm going crazy

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anyway he came he came around the corner

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with this pipe and he said to me you

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speak Italian 1979 I said yes he said

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will you work and translate all the

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Italian sightings and that's when I

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brought Roberto peanutty that we had

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talked about from the Kuhn over the

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America I brought him over for Allen

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Hynek and then I began working with

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Allen Hynek

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but I'll tell you all that was was

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putting pins and math I mean he called

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me and just say you know there's there's

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a flap over Indiana put five pens over

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these cities and at that time I was so

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naive and I knew nothing that I didn't

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want to deal with anything inside the

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spaceship I just wanted to put the pins

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in the map right I have gone I've gone

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360 since then I'm working Latin America

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with contactees and Thank You chance for

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mentioning that book all of the above

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and beyond contact he's in Peru that are

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seeing spacemen walk off ships I've gone

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a long way yes we'd like to talk to you

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later about that that's very interesting

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I have my own questions about that

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I would like to hear more about dr.

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Hynek though if you'd like to share more

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about him anything personal yeah Taurus

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was Sagittarius rising I was a Taurus

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legendary this Friday he basically was

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very absent-minded I drove the car when

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he was here in Colorado and he'd forget

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his umbrella has hi everything and so

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but we would discuss he was an

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astronomer no he would say to me Paulo

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don't ever mistake Venus for a UFO close

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friends with the family Mimi

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Hynek was amazing she's nothing nothing

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like the one on TV

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nothing archaeology very intellectual

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lady and of course I'm friends with pop

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Hynek his younger son and I'm going to

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be doing some work with him here in

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Colorado he's coming to do

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lecture so I knew the family I knew this

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was real I mean you're you're working

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with an astronomer you don't ask our

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UFOs real when you're working with a

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scientist but I have nothing to do with

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the 701 Blue Book cases because they

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closed that program in 1969 we were on

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to other stuff I see so basically he was

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reaching out now looking for more of the

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international cases you had mentioned

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being focused on Italy was do you know

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if he had somebody else who could speak

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French or Portuguese and pick up cases

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for maybe Brazil or France or he was

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working on that he was and if you want

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to know about where he was he came to

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Italy about four times but that's

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because I know Italy but if you want to

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work uh you want to read the real story

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of what was going on you have to read

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jock ballets volume three forbidden

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science because it's a diary of all the

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places Hynek was and Jacques de Molay

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was a Brit is a brilliant writer and

406
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volume three forbidden science says

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everything it has the the CIA

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involvement you know what they all they

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want to spend this

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allons frustration his going to Brazil

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and Latin America it has all of that but

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my frustration chant is that people

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don't read anymore what they do is get

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their information quick and dirty on the

415
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internet yeah they take very little time

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to do research I research day and night

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and I've been telling people the same

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thing which I stand behind and that is

419
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the topic of UF ology is similar to me

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to science in that you can never really

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know all of it and be an expert on it in

422
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its in totality but you can be an expert

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on it or try to be in in different

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respects of it so I think you can only

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be an expert on it because you know I'm

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a teacher I'm gonna say this chip I

427
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can't

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is reading the books I mean nobody read

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the books about the original source of

430
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anthropology or history how can you

431
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teach all these people I know everybody

432
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in the field from John Mack to Jesse

433
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Marcel you're the colonel Corso to

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everybody so I not only read everything

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but I yes including experiencers

436
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contactees and the like you had

437
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mentioned crossing paths with the Hynek

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and then mentioned ballet I did while

439
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you were working with Hynek or since

440
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then have you ever crossed paths with

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him because he is still at it even after

442
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all these years he's still involved yeah

443
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last year I met him for the first time I

444
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was fascinated with him he is the best

445
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of the best of the best

446
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he's almost 79 now and I think he has

447
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more answers than anybody and it's

448
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making the most sense he's amazing he's

449
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an amazing man I love that man he's very

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gentle but then he gave me three of his

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volumes of forbidden science and I went

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through them with you know you just like

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to do in high school with what'd he call

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it oh my god what I've been looking for

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here's the answer and I highlighted all

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the books and I'm going oh this is

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everything this is what I wanted it he

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did it all I mean yes he knows where I

459
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didn't know him back then but I guess

460
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destiny had it that I would not need him

461
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until he was like 79 didn't dr. Hynek

462
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ever expressed to you any irritation or

463
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frustration at scepticism that he might

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have encountered regarding his studies

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of the phenomenon of us ology yeah chat

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because you know he was a skeptic you

467
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know that he's the one that claimed the

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term swamp gap yes which I know he felt

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very hurt

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about yeah he changed his mind and

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everybody didn't give him a break they

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go up to and say well we knew it was

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real before you did and you used swamp

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gas and you and you should never said

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that and you know and you use you know I

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know he said it in passing and then

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journalist jumped all over him about

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that took it ran with it and used that

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as the focus the focal point you know

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for their articles but did he ever tell

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you privately you know did he ever have

482
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any complaints to make about having to

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deal with mainstream media or anybody

484
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regarding skepticism about what he was

485
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doing for you apology because he did a

486
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lot for you apology after he did an

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about-face I want to know what's going

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on before I die I wish they would tell

489
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me and say that I want to know I want to

490
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know what's going on but you know that

491
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it's now in deep black projects I mean I

492
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just did an interview with Emery Smith

493
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from and he's really involved in deep

494
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back projects I couldn't even believe

495
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that it's gone underground but it's gone

496
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underground in the military-industrial

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complex I mean the real reason you don't

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know anything we don't know anything is

499
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because they're making money off of it

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and they're not about to tell everybody

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and it's got nothing to do with the

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religion it's got nothing to do with

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scaring people it's got nothing to do

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with that it's an economic issue and I

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didn't understand that until I met

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Colonel Corso and he told me all the

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companies he went to with the artifacts

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that he had and that they were making

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money off of it and he said the primary

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source was to make weapons of war of

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course he changed his mind like kind of

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changed his mind like John Mack changed

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his mind these people that began as

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skeptics that saw things one way they

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change their mind when they saw things

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another way and I really admired those

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people because those people didn't you

518
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know when someone tells you that it's

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not it

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shouldn't be making weapons of war and

521
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using these these these technologies for

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for this and then you change your mind

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and say no I'm going to talk about it

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you become a hero and that's who I dealt

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with with all of these heroes that I

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consider heroes who are no longer with

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us unfortunately you and mentioned of

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course oh and how did you cross paths

529
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with him how did all that come about

530
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yeah well something I'm on my way to the

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consciousness life Expo to do a

532
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presentation on all the coincidences and

533
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the stuff in my life and that was one of

534
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them I was living in Italy my boss said

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you got to go to the 50th anniversary of

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Roswell we know it's a big party

537
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everybody in the world who's anybody

538
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will be there but we want you to find

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this man named Philip Corso and we want

540
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an interview for Italy now we want you

541
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to invite him here well I don't want to

542
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go I talk about this because I was

543
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getting over a a romantic love up there

544
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I was in depression we want to go again

545
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:41,139
I was in depression I said I'm not

546
00:26:46,229 --> 00:26:43,329
leaving Italy knee goes yes you are

547
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:46,239
you're going and you know the story my

548
00:26:53,459 --> 00:26:50,320
boss and I went to Roswell and course

549
00:26:56,849 --> 00:26:53,469
all the hotels are booked as of February

550
00:26:58,889 --> 00:26:56,859
and this is happening in July and I

551
00:27:00,989 --> 00:26:58,899
couldn't find a place to stay I went to

552
00:27:03,209 --> 00:27:00,999
the media place I said I'm an Italian

553
00:27:05,789 --> 00:27:03,219
journalist I need to sleep here in

554
00:27:08,579 --> 00:27:05,799
Roswell where can I get a place and they

555
00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:08,589
said open up the phone book and I opened

556
00:27:14,699 --> 00:27:11,649
up the phone book and it was I call the

557
00:27:16,949 --> 00:27:14,709
first place I saw the Sallyport in they

558
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:16,959
had a room for three days in the room

559
00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:20,039
was next to Philip Corso there you go

560
00:27:31,609 --> 00:27:23,019
hahaha that's incredible I don't think

561
00:27:31,619 --> 00:27:38,700
yeah but if that's my whole life

562
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:42,260
so since I had I found him at

563
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:45,340
Museum he said he wanted to talk to me

564
00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:46,750
because he was the head of intelligence

565
00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:50,500
in 1945 in Rome he's Italian

566
00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:53,740
he's Sicilian he wants to talk to me and

567
00:27:59,550 --> 00:27:56,260
here he is in the room next to me and so

568
00:28:02,520 --> 00:27:59,560
that's a story that's holy that's a

569
00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:02,530
whole show in itself if you want to talk

570
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:04,840
to me about that someday because when he

571
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:07,450
came in to do the interview he gave me

572
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,090
an interview about contact of whites and

573
00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:12,880
he did not give me the back-engineering

574
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:15,400
stuff and so when he gave me the contact

575
00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:18,670
interview that he had with an ET i as a

576
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:20,560
journalist thought people would think he

577
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:23,260
was crazy and i didn't print it and I'm

578
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:25,270
ashamed of that I mean I'm you know I'm

579
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:27,610
really upset about what I did I didn't

580
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:31,510
print it till he died but I wanted what

581
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:33,640
I wanted was the story of his being at

582
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:36,850
the Pentagon in the 1960s of general

583
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:39,610
Trudeau giving him all of the artifacts

584
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:42,580
in a file now remember this is Army so

585
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:46,330
the Air Force had some this is only army

586
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:48,700
because people criticize him by saying

587
00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:50,260
oh but they were already working on the

588
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:51,820
laser but they were already working on

589
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:54,130
this of course if the Air Force had some

590
00:28:58,860 --> 00:28:55,690
they're already going to be working on

591
00:29:00,570 --> 00:28:58,870
it the army got it when Corso had it

592
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:00,580
when he was working in research and

593
00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:03,670
development and they and then of course

594
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:06,940
it was very blunt about the companies he

595
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:10,210
went to like the night screaming devices

596
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:13,750
and the high tenacity fibers that he you

597
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:16,090
know are like Kevlar and I'd screaming

598
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:18,970
he said help the soldiers in Vietnam see

599
00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:21,490
you know Knights Guinea and that came he

600
00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:25,780
told me from the lens of the et and if

601
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:27,640
you've seen this fan tilly footage they

602
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:30,430
peel off the eye and that's the lens the

603
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:34,870
et had a pupil under there so Corso told

604
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:36,850
me he said I had the lens and yeah I

605
00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:39,130
could see at night we would walk up and

606
00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:40,780
down the halls of the Pentagon and could

607
00:29:48,030 --> 00:29:42,700
see all the furniture so they back

608
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,040
engineered that hmm do you believe that

609
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,080
all the documents in that book because

610
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:52,000
I've read that book repeatedly the copy

611
00:29:56,649 --> 00:29:54,770
I have is worn out

612
00:29:59,159 --> 00:29:56,659
I wanted to know do you feel the

613
00:30:04,180 --> 00:29:59,169
documents in that book are all

614
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:04,190
legitimate the problem with anything is

615
00:30:08,169 --> 00:30:06,350
when you have a ghostwriter or when you

616
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:08,179
have a co-writer and that was Bill

617
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:11,510
Murray the criticism that all the people

618
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:12,890
went after him for words there were

619
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,460
mistakes

620
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:15,200
Colonel quartz it was never at Roswell

621
00:30:20,769 --> 00:30:18,049
he was at Fort Riley Kansas when he saw

622
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:20,779
the bodies he was not at Roswell he was

623
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:23,330
at Fort Riley and when there's mistakes

624
00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:25,850
all you need is two mistakes and they

625
00:30:29,889 --> 00:30:28,190
canceled the whole book the documents

626
00:30:32,769 --> 00:30:29,899
and project horizon that you're talking

627
00:30:35,529 --> 00:30:32,779
about chant which is taking a nuclear

628
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:35,539
device to the moon and exploding it

629
00:30:44,649 --> 00:30:42,970
that's what we mean you know the species

630
00:30:46,990 --> 00:30:44,659
human are gonna say oh yeah we just

631
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:47,000
discovered the moon let's take a bomb

632
00:30:54,639 --> 00:30:51,830
there and anybody you know the

633
00:30:56,529 --> 00:30:54,649
thinking is insane it's insane but

634
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:56,539
that's what was happening

635
00:31:00,700 --> 00:30:58,490
I believe those documents were real but

636
00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:00,710
I believe there are mistakes in the book

637
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:04,460
but then I come to find out that they

638
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:06,740
put mistakes and a lot of whistleblowers

639
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,080
books so they can have what's called

640
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,080
plausible deniability Oh which means

641
00:31:16,779 --> 00:31:14,960
that they can crucify throw out the

642
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:16,789
whole book because of two mistakes and

643
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,130
you don't get the real truth plausible

644
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,440
deniability is one thing that the big

645
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:23,840
you know the wizard the insiders or

646
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:25,610
whatever you want to call him the people

647
00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:28,880
that worked on these projects use so

648
00:31:35,409 --> 00:31:33,080
yeah I mean what we got was his original

649
00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:35,419
manuscript and that's called

650
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:38,750
dawn of a new age and you can download

651
00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:43,190
that on open mind TV network or open

652
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:47,720
minds TV it had to row us and Jung round

653
00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:50,330
those guys my actually my boss gave it

654
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:51,169
to them

655
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:53,630
amount each you used to work for them in

656
00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:55,700
Maui chill gave them the original

657
00:32:00,970 --> 00:31:57,710
manuscript with the permission of the

658
00:32:03,879 --> 00:32:00,980
Corso family of and it's called dawn of

659
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:03,889
a new age not the day after Roswell yeah

660
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,399
I'm there I see it right there

661
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:08,320
okay and

662
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:09,640
I understand what you mean about

663
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:14,410
plausible deniability also I just wanted

664
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:16,630
to mention to our listeners about

665
00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:18,580
project horizons so they understand a

666
00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:20,860
little bit more about it project horizon

667
00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:23,140
was a 1959 study to determine the

668
00:32:28,049 --> 00:32:25,720
feasibility of constructing a scientific

669
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:28,059
military base on the moon at a time when

670
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:30,580
the US Department of the army Department

671
00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:32,500
of the Navy Department of the Air Force

672
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:35,230
had total responsibility for u.s. space

673
00:32:42,810 --> 00:32:40,510
program plans did you want to continue

674
00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:42,820
talking about corso or did you want to

675
00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:45,880
move on to dr. John Mack because I had a

676
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:51,520
few questions oh well when I was

677
00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:53,650
teaching in Rome and that's how I you

678
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,940
know had the money to do all this

679
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:56,320
because this all come out of my pocket

680
00:33:01,530 --> 00:32:58,630
I've never been sponsored by anybody and

681
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,540
that's that's why researchers do not go

682
00:33:06,390 --> 00:33:03,760
on location and go find out for

683
00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:06,400
themselves I was teaching at the

684
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:08,620
American overseas school I was there for

685
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:11,800
15 years I brought over everybody to

686
00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:14,710
speak in Italy I brought over Ryan wood

687
00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:18,540
and Linda Howe and Jesse Marcel and and

688
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:21,820
John Mack and just a lot of different

689
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:24,190
people John stayed with me in my

690
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:26,740
apartment in Rome and we got to talk

691
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:30,090
about a lot of his research at Harvard

692
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:34,890
University and he explained to me that

693
00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:38,200
the whatever abduction scenario which

694
00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:41,740
has been which has been the focal point

695
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:43,750
of all ufology in the United States

696
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:48,730
alone graylien has finished in 1994 in

697
00:33:54,419 --> 00:33:50,740
Colonel Corso told me that was just a

698
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:54,429
clone they were afraid of the human type

699
00:34:00,330 --> 00:33:57,730
people aliens that made them because he

700
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:00,340
said the little gray is just a clone to

701
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:03,010
fly the ship who told me a lot about the

702
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:05,230
same thing is young male I mean this

703
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:08,169
thing that our field here has become all

704
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:10,990
abductions a little gray aliens is a big

705
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:13,980
distraction to the fact that we had

706
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,580
space people in the 1950s to the 1960s

707
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:21,760
in giant Rock Southern California

708
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,690
Van Tassel Adamski or fail Angelou Qi

709
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:28,240
and Howard meander I had to go back and

710
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:31,120
study that and go back to Southern

711
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:33,010
California and to speak to all the

712
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:36,220
people that knew those guys in the 1950s

713
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:38,850
to understand we were visited by people

714
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:43,929
space people and so all of this John

715
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:47,770
Mack is telling me finish in 1994 and he

716
00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:50,409
said people are being directly

717
00:34:54,830 --> 00:34:52,270
downloaded tall in other words people

718
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:54,840
are being contacted through meditation

719
00:35:03,950 --> 00:34:59,410
through you know seeing five you know

720
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:03,960
just even Greer's protocols going out in

721
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:06,880
you know meditating and doing calling

722
00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:10,240
down UFOs or being involved in wanting

723
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:12,580
to communicate with them especially if

724
00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:15,670
people have like psychic abilities and

725
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:18,430
ESP so I'm dedicating my whole

726
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,340
conference this year in November 1

727
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:24,640
through 4 in Laughlin Nevada to remote

728
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:28,180
viewing an ESP because that's what the

729
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:30,250
government was using to communicate with

730
00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:34,210
you know and the people in s RI and the

731
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:36,760
ESP remote viewing is the only way you

732
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:38,890
can really touch base with a culture

733
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:41,110
cosmic culture that isn't going to

734
00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:44,050
school to speak your language and the

735
00:35:50,850 --> 00:35:46,870
thing is that I got interested in this

736
00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:50,860
because I have to not pay attention to

737
00:35:57,450 --> 00:35:53,980
what the mainstream UFO stuff is which

738
00:35:59,250 --> 00:35:57,460
is still little grey alien and I had to

739
00:36:02,460 --> 00:35:59,260
go back and study that we had space

740
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:02,470
brothers and that these people were real

741
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:06,040
and if they stopped coming here chance

742
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:08,530
they went to Latin America to Peru to

743
00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:12,100
the chilka desert to see snow paws and

744
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:15,460
the group in the 1970s so I had to see

745
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,830
why we are hell-bent on still abductions

746
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:22,960
little grey aliens and entertainment and

747
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:25,450
we're not looking at the messages coming

748
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:27,970
out of Latin America yes you touched on

749
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:30,490
a lot of stuff there go ahead yeah real

750
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:31,120
quick

751
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:34,450
you had mentioned corso seeing et

752
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,200
remains

753
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,599
but also having a contact experience the

754
00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:39,760
he had a car I was not aware of this if

755
00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:41,020
that's the fact that unless I'm

756
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:42,040
misunderstanding you

757
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,880
he had an et contact experience is that

758
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:48,160
correct yeah yeah do you want me to talk

759
00:36:52,819 --> 00:36:50,230
about yeah yeah yeah I'm kind of curious

760
00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:52,829
about that because I wasn't aware of it

761
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:55,720
happened you know I was next door in the

762
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,200
room next door he comes over and he says

763
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:01,119
to me Paul I need to tell you about what

764
00:37:07,289 --> 00:37:04,660
happened to me in 1957 he says I think

765
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:07,299
he said there was a crash over Roswell

766
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:10,150
in 47 and the other credit there were

767
00:37:16,589 --> 00:37:13,859
two you know craft and one appeared in

768
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:16,599
1957 that in other words there was a

769
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:19,630
time warp went through a portal and

770
00:37:24,569 --> 00:37:22,180
appeared in 57 at White Sands and I said

771
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:24,579
how do you know that and he said because

772
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:27,430
he said as I was driving in the desert

773
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:30,430
I saw craft sitting on the ground on

774
00:37:36,329 --> 00:37:32,740
near White Sands he told me where it was

775
00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:36,339
near Red Canyon and he said I went up to

776
00:37:40,799 --> 00:37:38,349
it I was alone I was in a jeep he said

777
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:40,809
and the craft was appearing and

778
00:37:46,289 --> 00:37:42,970
disappearing so I threw some cactus

779
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:46,299
under it it splashed the cactus he said

780
00:37:51,390 --> 00:37:48,460
so I knew it was physical and from the

781
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:51,400
left-hand side of you out of a cave came

782
00:37:56,579 --> 00:37:54,010
a little being it was a little man it

783
00:38:00,059 --> 00:37:56,589
was not a grey he had a helmet and he

784
00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:00,069
had a silver band with a red stone in

785
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:01,240
the middle which she called the

786
00:38:06,539 --> 00:38:04,270
interface and then he added because I

787
00:38:08,609 --> 00:38:06,549
listened very carefully we had seven or

788
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:08,619
several of those in the Pentagon and I

789
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:11,740
thought whoa and he said that rental

790
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:13,510
cars are being Italian and Sicilian

791
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:15,190
pulled out his beretta has gone and

792
00:38:20,609 --> 00:38:17,770
pointed about the being in the being

793
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:20,619
said could you shut down your radars

794
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:23,049
they are interfering and I can't leave

795
00:38:28,170 --> 00:38:25,630
and that is why all the crashes because

796
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:28,180
of the the interference of the radars

797
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:31,510
with the propulsion of these craft and

798
00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:34,540
so Pearl Corso said yeah but what will

799
00:38:40,319 --> 00:38:37,630
you have to offer me no he said are you

800
00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:40,329
a friend or a foe any points for done

801
00:38:45,089 --> 00:38:43,240
and he asked me what do you think he

802
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:45,099
said Paul and I said and said neither

803
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:48,730
and that's what he said neither I'm not

804
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:48,940
you

805
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:50,710
friend or foe that's the bottom line of

806
00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:53,050
ETA contact by the way they're not

807
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:54,550
friends and they're not posed they're

808
00:39:00,270 --> 00:38:58,480
just there uh and he said we shut down

809
00:39:02,339 --> 00:39:00,280
your Ito's and Colonel Corso said what

810
00:39:05,099 --> 00:39:02,349
do you have to offer me and the being

811
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:05,109
said and Colonel courser writes this on

812
00:39:11,069 --> 00:39:08,140
a napkin and he said a new world if you

813
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:11,079
can take it and then he and Corso turns

814
00:39:16,109 --> 00:39:12,940
around Kimmy says what does that mean

815
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:16,119
Paulo and my answer and I'm ashamed

816
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:18,670
about it I don't care I don't want to

817
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:20,140
know what that means I said I need

818
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,520
another kind of interview it's like I'm

819
00:39:29,069 --> 00:39:26,560
going don't give me that then it was too

820
00:39:31,859 --> 00:39:29,079
hard for me a new world if you can take

821
00:39:33,569 --> 00:39:31,869
it I have to offer you if you let me go

822
00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:33,579
or you want to come aboard the ship a

823
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:36,849
new world if you can take it so a lot of

824
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:38,710
my colleagues in the field have used

825
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:41,230
that phrase which comes from the core so

826
00:39:47,579 --> 00:39:44,230
contact you know it's been used over and

827
00:39:50,609 --> 00:39:47,589
over again and this contact is in that

828
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:50,619
open minds manuscript a new world if you

829
00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:53,170
can take it so we all knew about it but

830
00:39:59,730 --> 00:39:56,680
I didn't want to write about it until

831
00:40:02,010 --> 00:39:59,740
after he died and Corso had told me you

832
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:02,020
could read my book conversations and

833
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:03,849
crew on Colonel Corso and there's a

834
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:06,730
drawing of the being because he sent it

835
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:09,490
to me via fax and the being has suction

836
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:13,359
cups on his finger it's very interesting

837
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,130
and this is not an abduction by the way

838
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:17,440
I'd like to change the word abduction to

839
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:19,930
contact because contact is a whole

840
00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:24,690
different world you know I was abducted

841
00:40:29,609 --> 00:40:27,460
somebody chant when you abduct a kid or

842
00:40:30,809 --> 00:40:29,619
a woman you slit their wrists you rate

843
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:30,819
them and throw them in the trash and

844
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:31,960
nobody does that

845
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:34,210
you know I mean this is a human

846
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:35,770
abduction which is horrible

847
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:40,390
and and what contact is is different

848
00:40:47,309 --> 00:40:42,670
it's I think that's why I talked about

849
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,319
my conference it's an effort to raise

850
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:50,079
consciousness so I know we only have an

851
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:52,690
hour but my bottom line is that I'm

852
00:40:58,349 --> 00:40:54,760
working to raise human consciousness so

853
00:41:01,170 --> 00:40:58,359
that this species grows up okay they're

854
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:01,180
waiting for us to grow up yeah I'm glad

855
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,650
you're talking about contact

856
00:41:07,859 --> 00:41:05,680
than the type of contact I wanted to ask

857
00:41:10,499 --> 00:41:07,869
you something before I ask you another

858
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:10,509
question and that is you mentioned ce-5

859
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:12,940
contact I'm gonna make a statement here

860
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:14,410
and then I want you to correct me if I'm

861
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:18,400
wrong and that is the ce4 category was

862
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:20,740
not explicitly approved by dr. Hynek but

863
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,160
is in wide use also the ce-5 category

864
00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:26,079
was added and created by dr. Greer from

865
00:41:30,809 --> 00:41:28,900
the C SETI organization the ce-5 is a

866
00:41:33,329 --> 00:41:30,819
term describing a fifth category of

867
00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:33,339
close encounter with extraterrestrial

868
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:34,990
intelligence characterized by mutual

869
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:37,450
bilateral communication rather than

870
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:40,230
unilateral contact is that all correct

871
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:46,140
yeah that's great that's great yes okay

872
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:48,940
well I also wanted to make a statement

873
00:41:54,989 --> 00:41:51,490
about you and then ask you about it my

874
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:54,999
understanding and from the many years

875
00:42:00,329 --> 00:41:57,690
that you have been deeply involved and

876
00:42:03,539 --> 00:42:00,339
dedicating your life to the topic of you

877
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:03,549
apology and also to remote viewing now I

878
00:42:10,019 --> 00:42:06,730
wanted to know at what point did you

879
00:42:12,479 --> 00:42:10,029
start connecting the dots between UF

880
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:12,489
ology and consciousness because I know

881
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,710
you didn't necessarily start out that

882
00:42:18,749 --> 00:42:15,839
way

883
00:42:24,059 --> 00:42:18,759
two years ago but I'm not the only one

884
00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:24,069
so did grab camera the three of us Colin

885
00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:26,230
Andrews wrote a book called the edge of

886
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:28,900
reality it's all on consciousness grant

887
00:42:33,029 --> 00:42:31,630
Cameron went from presidential UFO to

888
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,039
consciousness we've been peeved at my

889
00:42:37,979 --> 00:42:35,680
conference every year because he goes to

890
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:37,989
consciousness it's a bottom line it's

891
00:42:42,839 --> 00:42:40,450
like chant it's like the graduate school

892
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:42,849
I can't go back to third grade and I

893
00:42:47,279 --> 00:42:44,200
don't want to play around in third and

894
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:47,289
fourth grade anymore it's been 30 to 40

895
00:42:53,609 --> 00:42:50,680
years now and the messages from Latin

896
00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:53,619
America the messages from the giant rock

897
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,759
people all of that was you I mean just

898
00:43:02,970 --> 00:42:59,920
watch The Day the Earth Stood Still a

899
00:43:05,759 --> 00:43:02,980
speech that Klaatu makes at the end

900
00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:05,769
about this species better grow up

901
00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:07,720
otherwise they will not be allowed to be

902
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:10,420
part of a federation of kind of cosmic

903
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,710
peoples and logically just logically

904
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:16,480
because I dealt when I was in

905
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:18,550
I dealt with one senior could audible

906
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:19,830
dude she was a good friend

907
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:22,330
logically God just didn't create humans

908
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:24,130
on this planet he created humans all

909
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:27,640
over the place and and all over planets

910
00:43:32,099 --> 00:43:30,010
we can't even see the ones from Latin

911
00:43:35,099 --> 00:43:32,109
America and I want to recommend this

912
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:35,109
book contact from Planet Apple by

913
00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:38,170
Ricardo Gonzalez is talking about the

914
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:41,430
the spaceman coming off the ship and

915
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:44,350
Ricardo's from Argentina but grew up in

916
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:47,880
Peru the spaceman with the ecological

917
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:50,350
messages and the messages are coming off

918
00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:52,690
the ships with right now who say they're

919
00:43:57,830 --> 00:43:55,230
related to us and they're in the

920
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,840
constellation of Alpha Centauri so

921
00:44:03,270 --> 00:43:59,920
logically there's people all over the

922
00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:03,280
place and some of them are more advanced

923
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:07,060
and want us to grow up so that the

924
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:09,250
definition of consciousness that I have

925
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:12,609
is can you you know a feeling of being

926
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:14,830
awakened aware of everything of

927
00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:18,040
everything so that was only two years

928
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,700
ago okay and I wanted to make a comment

929
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:23,680
about two books your reference so folks

930
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:25,450
can know a little bit more about them

931
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:29,590
one is an iconic book that's a highly

932
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:31,990
recommended that people read to know

933
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:34,570
more about the topics were discussing

934
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:38,230
here and more it's called the edge of

935
00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:41,530
reality which Paulo mentioned it's a

936
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:44,590
legendary book which was written by dr.

937
00:44:58,830 --> 00:44:45,700
Allen Hynek

938
00:45:01,140 --> 00:44:58,840
and dr. Zhang okay he wrote it but I

939
00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:01,150
mentioned Colin Andrews is a crop circle

940
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:03,940
researcher kind of look the edge of

941
00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:06,430
reality I think would jog relays so cuz

942
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,320
young Willy believes it's all paranormal

943
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:11,200
that a lot of this is paranormal right

944
00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:13,150
he has his own reality

945
00:45:20,099 --> 00:45:17,320
yeah is when Colin Andrews had his

946
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:20,109
change of heart because he had a Colin

947
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:21,910
it lives in Connecticut in fact you

948
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,150
might want to interview him he's amazing

949
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:26,800
and he wrote the edge of reality

950
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:29,770
realized the crop circle phenomenon

951
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:31,660
what people's consciousness even the

952
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:34,630
fake ones creating the crop circle which

953
00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:39,010
were amazing I'm glad yeah and then the

954
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:42,190
other one is is going to be I mean I

955
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:44,170
talk about consciousness and in my last

956
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:46,210
book all of the above and beyond but the

957
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:47,880
other one is grant Cameron

958
00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:50,860
all right grant Cameron wrote about

959
00:45:56,970 --> 00:45:53,080
consciousness and him last books he's

960
00:46:00,060 --> 00:45:56,980
written four books now and in and and

961
00:46:02,190 --> 00:46:00,070
he's he's looking at ESP talking to the

962
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,200
contactees he used to be just

963
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:04,240
presidential UFO it used to just do

964
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:06,910
presidents so Colin Andrews

965
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:09,460
and the other person is is Steven Greer

966
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:10,690
my god

967
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:14,380
the the unacknowledged book his you know

968
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:17,830
hidden truth look he's always been into

969
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:19,930
consciousness Steven Greer always been

970
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,640
into it knowledge is the Greer book yeah

971
00:46:29,580 --> 00:46:27,520
yeah thank you yeah let's go ahead I'm

972
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:29,590
gonna go ahead and restate that book

973
00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:31,840
again it's actually a very long title

974
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,060
but it's definitely worth the read it's

975
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:35,920
called on the edge of reality hidden

976
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:38,050
technology powers of the mind quantum

977
00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:40,500
physics paranormal phenomena orbs UFOs

978
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:42,820
harmonic transmissions and crop circles

979
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:45,670
by Colin Andrews and Cynthia answers the

980
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:47,710
other book that you mentioned was called

981
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:52,570
UFO contact with a from clinic ir a-- is

982
00:46:58,820 --> 00:46:56,680
that how i pronounce it no you're

983
00:47:02,010 --> 00:46:58,830
talking about the time travel book

984
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:02,020
contact from operas by ricardo gazelle

985
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:04,210
from office okay let me go ahead and

986
00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:08,920
look what i wanted to you AP you god by

987
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:10,420
the way that'll blow you away that'll

988
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:12,310
change your mind about everything that

989
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,650
bad book is is contact from a poo

990
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:17,440
because ricardo goes all over the world

991
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:20,680
to meet with these time travelers who

992
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:22,810
are telling him what's happening

993
00:47:28,110 --> 00:47:25,690
and recog doing himself is doing a

994
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,120
retreat in crest own colorado in august

995
00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:30,640
and he was at my conference last year

996
00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:33,190
and when they cut the gonzalez speaks

997
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:35,800
out the room empties and he goes out of

998
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:38,440
the room everybody follows them he's a

999
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:41,080
contact ii that has contact with with

1000
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:43,630
space people no not you know

1001
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:45,610
I'm trying to get away from this little

1002
00:47:51,150 --> 00:47:48,730
gray alien thing from space people of

1003
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:51,160
real messages to say they care about us

1004
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:54,880
and you know that that changed my whole

1005
00:48:00,660 --> 00:47:58,210
view and I've been to Colombia I've been

1006
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:00,670
to the Atacama Desert with Ricardo I've

1007
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:04,570
been to Argentina and I'm going back to

1008
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:08,470
Peru in May because I don't work in the

1009
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:10,540
United States very much chant anymore

1010
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:13,110
because it's all one type of ufology

1011
00:48:18,510 --> 00:48:16,090
right now I wanted to go back to the

1012
00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:18,520
consciousness thing again and thank you

1013
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:20,350
very much for having corrected me on the

1014
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:22,780
books and because it's important that

1015
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,690
the people who are listening to this

1016
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:27,760
interview get the privilege of being

1017
00:48:33,150 --> 00:48:30,430
able to read these incredible books that

1018
00:48:36,270 --> 00:48:33,160
connect what we're talking about and how

1019
00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:36,280
important consciousness is to the topic

1020
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:40,150
of ufology regarding how you encountered

1021
00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:43,690
the thought process of marrying UF ology

1022
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:45,640
and consciousness together you said was

1023
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:48,070
a couple years ago for you

1024
00:48:54,330 --> 00:48:50,380
was it remote viewing was that one of

1025
00:49:00,750 --> 00:48:54,340
the reasons that allowed you to start

1026
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:00,760
looking more at consciousness but I

1027
00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:02,710
never stopped long enough to meditate I

1028
00:49:08,190 --> 00:49:04,360
mean I wish I could say I did all these

1029
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:08,200
things no it was when I interviewed the

1030
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:10,930
ten latin-american contactees that I

1031
00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:18,910
changed everything it's the night and I

1032
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:20,740
thought oh my god were really living in

1033
00:49:26,910 --> 00:49:24,040
la-la land here in America and I had

1034
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:26,920
also contacted and talked to the people

1035
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,370
in Italy about the friendship amici Zia

1036
00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:33,280
case right I would like to send you you

1037
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:34,900
know that one I'd like to send you the

1038
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:37,390
link on that if that's ok can you read

1039
00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:41,110
that again yeah is it called friendship

1040
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:44,260
I mean sheets in Italian and but I call

1041
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:45,430
friendship you could look at a

1042
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:48,730
friendship case right yeah no I I knew

1043
00:49:51,330 --> 00:49:49,840
about it I just didn't know how to

1044
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,340
pronounce it properly I was going to ask

1045
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:52,720
you about that because I don't know how

1046
00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:01,349
oh those guys those guys that was the

1047
00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:04,540
case that happened in 1956 for ten years

1048
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:08,140
again in the 50s and I went personally

1049
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:10,690
to interview everybody that's like that

1050
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:13,569
survived that in other words the people

1051
00:50:19,470 --> 00:50:15,640
that are still living that were part of

1052
00:50:22,140 --> 00:50:19,480
that community with the ETS on the you

1053
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,150
know city of Pescara Italy near the

1054
00:50:26,849 --> 00:50:24,640
Adriatic Sea er there's only like five

1055
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:26,859
still alive in there in their 90's so I

1056
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:29,470
went to talk to them about what the ETS

1057
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:31,900
were saying what they wanted what the

1058
00:50:36,839 --> 00:50:34,859
messages were and I interviewed them

1059
00:50:39,150 --> 00:50:36,849
personally and that was two years ago

1060
00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:39,160
that's one of the reasons they made me

1061
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:40,839
change because I was not only in Latin

1062
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:41,440
America

1063
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:44,410
I was I was realizing that these ETS are

1064
00:50:50,849 --> 00:50:47,890
walking among us and I would you know

1065
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,859
and so you you were able to communicate

1066
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:53,920
with both short and tall ETS and were

1067
00:51:00,960 --> 00:50:56,890
they called were some or one of them

1068
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:00,970
called an Tyrells know that aunt Adele

1069
00:51:09,329 --> 00:51:04,810
is Ricardo Gonzalez okay and that is

1070
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:09,339
contact from ATO and that is they are

1071
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:13,030
their opinion and they live in base in

1072
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:17,170
in Peru and that is one that's Latin

1073
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:19,720
America the ones of the friendship case

1074
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:22,720
are called w50 sixes because the

1075
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:25,089
Italians didn't know what to call them

1076
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:29,950
and it was 1956 the book written about

1077
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:34,089
that is called math contacts by stefano

1078
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:37,450
Boresha at mass context they can get it

1079
00:51:42,690 --> 00:51:39,250
on Amazon I helped

1080
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:42,700
stefano translated into english because

1081
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:44,740
i wanted everybody to know about it

1082
00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:47,290
because you follow Jesus not American

1083
00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:50,470
it's universal and I helped him

1084
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:53,380
translate that and then he gave me since

1085
00:51:59,550 --> 00:51:57,010
died the voices of these beings talking

1086
00:52:03,230 --> 00:51:59,560
to the Italians the voices of them

1087
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:03,240
talking in Italian to the Italians and I

1088
00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:06,910
realized that there have been an

1089
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:08,980
advancement in contact

1090
00:52:14,110 --> 00:52:10,850
it's not about unit con

1091
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:14,120
in other countries and that it was my

1092
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:17,210
job to get the books translated and to

1093
00:52:23,170 --> 00:52:19,430
tell the world who wants to study this

1094
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:23,180
so I'm going to send you the that the

1095
00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:25,400
link for the friendship case remember

1096
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:28,340
that's Italy and then I want to send you

1097
00:52:34,570 --> 00:52:31,330
probably a picture I'll do it today of

1098
00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:34,580
Ricardo Gonzalez's book with on Fidel

1099
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:37,120
now I don't have time to talk about this

1100
00:52:44,650 --> 00:52:42,160
but I saw on Terra in chest and in 2014

1101
00:52:48,610 --> 00:52:44,660
physically right we had wanted to ask

1102
00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:48,620
actually actually ask it it's very

1103
00:52:53,170 --> 00:52:49,430
private

1104
00:52:56,010 --> 00:52:53,180
I was not alone I was seven people and

1105
00:52:58,930 --> 00:52:56,020
it was it caused me to have

1106
00:53:00,130 --> 00:52:58,940
post-traumatic stress because I it's

1107
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:00,140
like seeing a ghost

1108
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:03,050
it's not it was not it's not anything

1109
00:53:08,650 --> 00:53:05,780
that he was standing next to a tree he

1110
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:08,660
was ten foot tall he was talking in a

1111
00:53:14,380 --> 00:53:11,660
language that I didn't understand I was

1112
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,390
right next to two Spanish who am and

1113
00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:15,920
everybody was speaking Spanish and

1114
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:17,320
Shasta because there was a Kannada

1115
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:20,570
everything in Spanish so wasn't Spanish

1116
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:22,790
this man was speaking I don't know what

1117
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,400
he was speaking and if he was speaking

1118
00:53:30,190 --> 00:53:28,400
to me he had a hoodie on he was ten foot

1119
00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:30,200
tall I heard what he was saying it was

1120
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:33,140
like an echo and at the very end in

1121
00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:36,160
English and I thought I was going nuts

1122
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:41,630
he said in a robotic voice thank you in

1123
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:42,350
English

1124
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:44,090
turns around and walks back into the

1125
00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:48,350
forest was he holographic like no no he

1126
00:53:52,290 --> 00:53:50,660
was physical he was physical no no he I

1127
00:53:56,140 --> 00:53:52,300
could hear the crunching of the leaves

1128
00:53:59,080 --> 00:53:56,150
on his boots no no he was not out not

1129
00:54:02,370 --> 00:53:59,090
that time the year later he was in the

1130
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:02,380
hologram and so he Chilean walked back

1131
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,050
yeah everybody yeah there was two people

1132
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:07,760
in front of me and I was standing in a

1133
00:54:14,260 --> 00:54:10,010
line with three people that the weird

1134
00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:14,270
part about that is where he kind of came

1135
00:54:20,350 --> 00:54:16,520
to me when he invited me to chef that he

1136
00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:20,360
said I I said no no no because I don't

1137
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:22,430
camp I hate camping and I hate being

1138
00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:23,640
cold

1139
00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:26,190
I didn't realize and I didn't realize

1140
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:28,860
they were fasting so I had like one

1141
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:31,050
Apple like cutting 16 pieces that try to

1142
00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:32,730
last for three days

1143
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:35,340
oh my gosh oh my god they didn't tell me

1144
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:40,440
there you know me so when the thing was

1145
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:42,510
over Friday night I was I couldn't wait

1146
00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:44,220
to get food I was going I'm going to a

1147
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,600
restaurant I can't the end of this is

1148
00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:47,280
wonderful meditation for three days is

1149
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:49,620
wonderful he comes down and he kneels

1150
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:52,890
down and he said Paula

1151
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:54,690
antonella's in the forest you think you

1152
00:55:00,980 --> 00:54:57,810
can handle it do you remember those

1153
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:00,990
words do you remember if you can handle

1154
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:04,710
it the current of course Oh words there

1155
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:07,140
you go so yeah there you go

1156
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:11,730
and I said I I didn't know what to say

1157
00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:13,590
because I I didn't believe it you know

1158
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:15,630
like I'm going are you kidding I'm gonna

1159
00:55:18,550 --> 00:55:17,700
go down in the dark there can you use a

1160
00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:18,560
flashlight

1161
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:21,420
he had me hold hands with two other

1162
00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:21,840
women

1163
00:55:25,850 --> 00:55:24,630
but you know that's what happened and I

1164
00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:25,860
said yes

1165
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:28,230
so chance everybody that asks you

1166
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:34,650
anything say yes that's the story okay

1167
00:55:40,990 --> 00:55:38,490
yes so so the Rama group is there any

1168
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:41,000
thing that you can say about that oh

1169
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:48,720
they're not Rama they're just not Rama

1170
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:53,190
belongs to C so pause and it means he's

1171
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:54,930
so uncharged and I interviewed both

1172
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:56,850
Charley and sister because they were the

1173
00:56:01,160 --> 00:55:59,160
young men in the chintha desert that

1174
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,170
went aboard the ship with seven other

1175
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,660
young men so there they have all each

1176
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,760
other to you know to verify their

1177
00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:07,440
stories they went aboard ships with

1178
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:10,620
these face people they started Rama and

1179
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:13,410
Ricardo is not Rama or any part of Rama

1180
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,000
so if yeah I just yeah it's not it no he

1181
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:20,760
doesn't he has his own group and if his

1182
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:23,700
group is connected with Nicholas Roerich

1183
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:27,090
who is a Russian mystic who designed the

1184
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:28,680
first peace flag for the League of

1185
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:31,260
Nations which is the United Nations

1186
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:31,680
today

1187
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:35,400
Nicholas rorish was a painter and lived

1188
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:37,380
in India so it

1189
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:40,200
that goes back to Altai India he goes to

1190
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:42,569
India I know how many times so he's more

1191
00:56:49,390 --> 00:56:45,630
for world peace so I support that

1192
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:49,400
world peace movement much more because

1193
00:56:55,819 --> 00:56:52,890
the message along the board on

1194
00:56:58,579 --> 00:56:55,829
everybody's message even my amici says

1195
00:57:00,920 --> 00:56:58,589
you guys better unite in order to

1196
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:00,930
survive on this planet so that means

1197
00:57:06,249 --> 00:57:02,910
peace that means inner peace before

1198
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:06,259
outer peace but that's why I support the

1199
00:57:10,819 --> 00:57:08,910
Rotich movement the peace movement that

1200
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:10,829
white flag with the three dots that you

1201
00:57:20,660 --> 00:57:17,210
see on my Facebook all the time okay and

1202
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,670
there's a lot a lot to cover here we'll

1203
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:22,200
try and do it in a shorter amount of

1204
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:25,650
time as possible but you started out

1205
00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:31,170
talking about certain extraterrestrials

1206
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,180
you have come in contact with were these

1207
00:57:41,959 --> 00:57:38,700
short and tall a tease is that correct

1208
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:41,969
I'm never come in contact well I'm sorry

1209
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:44,130
there was no let me rephrase that I

1210
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:46,380
apologize it was it's a group I cannot

1211
00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:48,089
pronounce it's the it's the Italian

1212
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,119
group the friendship oh thank you yeah a

1213
00:58:00,979 --> 00:57:56,400
variety of extraterrestrials were they

1214
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:00,989
both short and tall et's and also they

1215
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:03,450
were not grave right okay good thing

1216
00:58:07,249 --> 00:58:05,249
people there were people got it could

1217
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:07,259
they cloak and bend light change her

1218
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:09,930
frequency could they come and go how

1219
00:58:15,799 --> 00:58:12,839
could how could one describe these these

1220
00:58:18,289 --> 00:58:15,809
people okay

1221
00:58:20,359 --> 00:58:18,299
these people said they were doing an

1222
00:58:22,849 --> 00:58:20,369
experiment and it wasn't just insist

1223
00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:22,859
gotta Italy there's a friendship case in

1224
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:26,099
Chile if you study this also in Chile

1225
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:28,049
and they said we can live among you

1226
00:58:30,979 --> 00:58:28,710
people

1227
00:58:33,019 --> 00:58:30,989
we will live among you in fact bruno

1228
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:33,029
summer chicha that put those guys in a

1229
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:35,160
castle physically they're physical

1230
00:58:40,759 --> 00:58:37,369
people like I'm still a physical person

1231
00:58:42,979 --> 00:58:40,769
he put them in a castle and he also was

1232
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,989
in charge of bringing huge truckloads of

1233
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:44,160
fruits and vegetables because they're

1234
00:58:49,819 --> 00:58:47,729
vegetarian to eat so they got together

1235
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,829
with ten Italians and I'm going to give

1236
00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:50,880
you the link so every

1237
00:58:55,579 --> 00:58:53,670
he can look at it and they said we'll

1238
00:58:58,099 --> 00:58:55,589
live among you as long as you guys don't

1239
00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:58,109
fight among yourselves and he said they

1240
00:59:03,259 --> 00:59:01,740
said we have different kinds of ETS in

1241
00:59:06,259 --> 00:59:03,269
this group

1242
00:59:08,839 --> 00:59:06,269
I mean people space people and they said

1243
00:59:11,299 --> 00:59:08,849
we have a technology called Ojeda which

1244
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:11,309
means harmony and if you guys can't keep

1245
00:59:15,499 --> 00:59:13,650
harmony we had a leave well it lasted

1246
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,509
ten years and then they started to fight

1247
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:18,480
among each other so when I interviewed

1248
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:20,490
Gustav dilemma and his wife were part of

1249
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,390
those ten Italians they gave me a

1250
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:25,920
manifesto that was one of the ETS had

1251
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:28,980
given them about staying united and

1252
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:32,730
having a common purpose they and that's

1253
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:35,430
on my youtube channel of people can go

1254
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:37,559
to that I had to go to Lake Como where

1255
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,650
George Clooney lives to interview that

1256
00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:42,480
got that a dilemma so that's on YouTube

1257
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:45,390
you can see him showing me what the et

1258
00:59:50,029 --> 00:59:47,430
had written about staying together and

1259
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:50,039
that on my YouTube channel are the

1260
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:52,049
interviews with the South Americans

1261
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:54,089
word-for-word I'm sitting in front of

1262
01:00:00,339 --> 00:59:55,890
them and they're telling me what

1263
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:00,349
happened so that might help a little bit

1264
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:02,460
okay thank you very much for having

1265
01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:05,910
answered that Paul I appreciate that is

1266
01:00:11,509 --> 01:00:07,470
there any more that you would like to

1267
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:11,519
say about Mount Shasta in general well

1268
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:15,690
everybody in the world goes yeah I hear

1269
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:18,329
a lot about it I hear a lot of stories

1270
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:20,130
about March last I just wanna know if

1271
01:00:25,849 --> 01:00:21,930
maybe you wanted to share anything about

1272
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:25,859
that become New Age capital of the world

1273
01:00:29,690 --> 01:00:28,140
I mean I don't want to go back there and

1274
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:29,700
necessarily because there's everybody

1275
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:30,750
and his brother is there and they're

1276
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:32,190
doing all kinds of different things I

1277
01:00:39,259 --> 01:00:37,079
went there in 2014 and 15 because I was

1278
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:39,269
asked to go back in the forest there and

1279
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:43,170
the when I went back in 2015 you're

1280
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:44,700
really you're really good cuz because

1281
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:47,940
you're breaking me say this when I went

1282
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:52,049
back in 2015 I saw aunt Adele and two

1283
01:00:57,140 --> 01:00:55,380
others in holographic form and I I

1284
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:57,150
freaked out I freaked myself out so

1285
01:01:01,940 --> 01:00:59,339
badly I was shaking I just couldn't you

1286
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:01,950
know deal with it but the message that I

1287
01:01:04,460 --> 01:01:03,930
got was if you will lead we will match

1288
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:04,470
her

1289
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:06,540
which means the et's will help if

1290
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,140
somebody cares in other words they will

1291
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,240
step in and help I don't think they'll

1292
01:01:16,579 --> 01:01:14,640
ever let this planet blow up but if

1293
01:01:19,809 --> 01:01:16,589
somebody cares and somebody has to care

1294
01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:19,819
that they don't just hang out there and

1295
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,430
that was the message I got so my job is

1296
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:25,740
just to record it through history I have

1297
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:27,540
no hope there's going to be any

1298
01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:30,210
legitimate disclosure because it's all

1299
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,430
in the hands of you know the latest

1300
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:34,319
flavor of ice cream I don't know what to

1301
01:01:37,819 --> 01:01:35,970
say but it's all in the hands of

1302
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:37,829
whoever's using the technology and

1303
01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:41,609
whatever and I just want to record what

1304
01:01:46,430 --> 01:01:44,190
everybody said so that whoever studied

1305
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,440
this and you you're really a great

1306
01:01:51,380 --> 01:01:49,440
students kid couldn't even figure it out

1307
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:51,390
can figure it out for themselves they

1308
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:52,680
can figure it out they're all stupid

1309
01:01:57,290 --> 01:01:54,990
they don't read everything they put it

1310
01:02:00,290 --> 01:01:57,300
together for me Jacques ballets books

1311
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:00,300
for the best and his books are called

1312
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:03,810
forbidden science vol 1 2 & 3 and he's

1313
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:08,310
coming out with vol 4 ok I wanted to

1314
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:10,050
make a statement and then I wanted to

1315
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:11,970
ask you about something I happen to

1316
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:13,260
agree with you about there not being

1317
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:15,930
legitimate disclosure going on right now

1318
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:21,030
at all I wanted to talk about ETS in the

1319
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:24,390
ocean mountains of Italy I'm sorry ETS

1320
01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:28,200
in the ocean underground all around the

1321
01:02:35,809 --> 01:02:33,270
world also with regards to portals are

1322
01:02:40,099 --> 01:02:35,819
there any statements you'd like to make

1323
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:40,109
about that topic well I I had a hard

1324
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:43,050
time with the ETS underwater because the

1325
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:45,960
W 56 has had an underwater base and then

1326
01:02:49,460 --> 01:02:47,640
when I'm talking to the fishermen there

1327
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,470
they're telling me these tunnels of

1328
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:51,839
water coming up and they refused to go

1329
01:02:57,380 --> 01:02:54,450
out fish on the on a dreary Coast so

1330
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:57,390
there was an underwater base in the

1331
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,119
Adriatic Sea but but it's not what we

1332
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:02,400
picture it it's another dimension is

1333
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:05,190
another dimension and a portal is

1334
01:03:10,339 --> 01:03:08,670
another dimension and and I I'm not sure

1335
01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:10,349
I don't know where those are but I think

1336
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:11,550
somebody wants to know where they all

1337
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:14,970
are I think that chest probably the

1338
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:18,480
mountain itself may have some kind of

1339
01:03:24,349 --> 01:03:21,720
mystical bass I know the opponents have

1340
01:03:27,590 --> 01:03:24,359
their based on a wass Quran which is an

1341
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:27,600
ayah a very very very very tall mountain

1342
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:31,920
in in Peru and the Andes and it's normal

1343
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,020
for them and maybe you just you know you

1344
01:03:37,790 --> 01:03:36,000
don't dig away maybe it's just another

1345
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:37,800
dimension but in order to understand

1346
01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:40,260
this read the shocked the books because

1347
01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:42,119
he talks about dimensionality and other

1348
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:44,910
dimensions simultaneously and that's

1349
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:47,160
hard for us because we're locked into a

1350
01:03:52,310 --> 01:03:50,490
time space dimension we gotta touch it

1351
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:52,320
feel it and all this kind of stuff and

1352
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:55,260
that's not the way reality is I'm glad

1353
01:03:59,090 --> 01:03:57,450
you're behind you yeah I'm glad you're

1354
01:04:03,109 --> 01:03:59,100
bringing up the topic of dimensions

1355
01:04:04,820 --> 01:04:03,119
because I just wanted to interrupt your

1356
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:04,830
I apologize for interrupting but just to

1357
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:06,450
make a statement and I hope maybe you

1358
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:08,730
would make a comment about it and that

1359
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:11,640
is interdimensional and extra

1360
01:04:19,820 --> 01:04:16,350
dimensional and iki ET contact are all

1361
01:04:23,810 --> 01:04:19,830
different is that correct yeah and it's

1362
01:04:30,260 --> 01:04:23,820
all real like somebody interplanetary or

1363
01:04:32,830 --> 01:04:30,270
interdimensional that's the reality what

1364
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:32,840
we're living right now not but those

1365
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:36,240
those terms delineate from one another

1366
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:39,890
very clearly right they they are being

1367
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:42,210
interdimensional and then extra

1368
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:45,350
dimensional two different things correct

1369
01:04:58,940 --> 01:04:56,640
yeah because and you know I really hope

1370
01:05:01,040 --> 01:04:58,950
I really hope you an interview Colin

1371
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:01,050
Andrews because he's got Colin Andrews

1372
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:03,510
and I are almost the same age he's

1373
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,130
figured it out because he was in the

1374
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:07,440
crop circle thing and Jimmy he said to

1375
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:09,480
meet Allah he said would you believe

1376
01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:12,090
that even the fake crop circle makers

1377
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:15,030
would get the idea from somewhere and

1378
01:05:19,340 --> 01:05:17,160
they wouldn't finish the crop circle and

1379
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:19,350
they'd wake up and it was finished by

1380
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:23,220
somebody something and I'm going you're

1381
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:25,290
kidding and he goes yeah and that makes

1382
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:27,390
it valid because they didn't finish up

1383
01:05:30,380 --> 01:05:28,619
the night before they wake up and

1384
01:05:32,340 --> 01:05:30,390
finished something else is finishing it

1385
01:05:34,380 --> 01:05:32,350
and we're dealing with something

1386
01:05:37,410 --> 01:05:34,390
and Jacque is amazing because he talks

1387
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:37,420
about something else he doesn't call it

1388
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:38,860
anything but I've come to the conclusion

1389
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:41,530
anymore that it's something else more

1390
01:05:45,150 --> 01:05:43,270
than even though I know there's

1391
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:45,160
interplanetary travelers like the

1392
01:05:49,950 --> 01:05:48,370
opinions from Apple and Alpha Centauri

1393
01:05:51,870 --> 01:05:49,960
even though I know they're real and

1394
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:51,880
they're physical there's also this other

1395
01:05:58,500 --> 01:05:56,290
component that is so weird

1396
01:06:01,830 --> 01:05:58,510
talk about weird science that people

1397
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:01,840
need to understand that too I wonder if

1398
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,640
people who are involved in you ethology

1399
01:06:08,570 --> 01:06:05,920
as serious researchers come to the

1400
01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:08,580
conclusion and that they will eventually

1401
01:06:15,090 --> 01:06:13,180
connect consciousness to this topic so

1402
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:15,100
we've covered a little bit regarding

1403
01:06:21,030 --> 01:06:18,240
crop circles I think you may have even

1404
01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:21,040
mentioned orbs I'm not sure but then

1405
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:25,420
also remote viewing I wanted to ask you

1406
01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:29,170
why remote viewing for you what does why

1407
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:31,120
does remote viewing matter to you it

1408
01:06:36,540 --> 01:06:33,070
matters to me I'm just letting you know

1409
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:36,550
that now matters well I hope to see you

1410
01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:39,330
in November because it took you know

1411
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:41,590
because they're all there I mean

1412
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:42,850
everybody that was working with that

1413
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:45,370
Russell Targ with Fri they were working

1414
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:47,290
they were they were using it for

1415
01:06:51,390 --> 01:06:49,480
military purposes like crank or so said

1416
01:06:53,850 --> 01:06:51,400
everything strong but to find out what

1417
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:53,860
Russia had but I'm very close friends

1418
01:06:59,640 --> 01:06:57,520
with the regular and three and I when I

1419
01:07:02,220 --> 01:06:59,650
was in Europe I saw him a lot and he's

1420
01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:02,230
going to Skype in and remote viewing is

1421
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:04,060
a way of seeing other dimensions

1422
01:07:10,770 --> 01:07:06,730
I mean remote viewing is also the the

1423
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:10,780
ESP component the the P it's a direct

1424
01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:13,990
transfer psychics use ESP when they do

1425
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:17,320
readings when they do you know future

1426
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:20,170
projections they can they eliminate the

1427
01:07:25,860 --> 01:07:23,260
time element which is such a blockage so

1428
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:25,870
an ET that's going to speak to Colonel

1429
01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:28,210
courses not necessarily gonna speak to

1430
01:07:33,450 --> 01:07:29,950
him in his language UT didn't go to

1431
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:33,460
school so what he's doing is he's doing

1432
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:36,130
and Colonel Carson said that the that he

1433
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:38,860
was wearing was an interface which means

1434
01:07:43,380 --> 01:07:40,960
the direct transfer when I think

1435
01:07:45,030 --> 01:07:43,390
something that's going in your brain you

1436
01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:45,040
know it doesn't matter what language it

1437
01:07:48,990 --> 01:07:46,150
is it's direct

1438
01:07:50,579 --> 01:07:49,000
transfer it I mean logically if these

1439
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:50,589
people are getting messages from all

1440
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:53,200
over the place there you know that it

1441
01:07:59,880 --> 01:07:58,000
has to be a technology that has direct

1442
01:08:02,339 --> 01:07:59,890
thought transfer I'm fascinated with

1443
01:08:04,289 --> 01:08:02,349
that so we're going to talk about

1444
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:04,299
consciousness so I'm Nick Pope coming

1445
01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:05,710
and he's going to talk about the remote

1446
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:08,380
viewing program I'm going to talk about

1447
01:08:12,089 --> 01:08:10,210
for the first time ever the Michael

1448
01:08:14,670 --> 01:08:12,099
Wolfe couvent case catchers of heaven

1449
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:14,680
because I was the only journalist to go

1450
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,250
visit him in Hartford and he was remote

1451
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:20,560
viewers for the you know the CIA for the

1452
01:08:26,099 --> 01:08:23,409
government and and also had a lot of

1453
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:26,109
weird paranormal contact stuff around

1454
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:31,390
him so it's just new research and it's

1455
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:33,670
bringing all the people together and

1456
01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:37,210
it's a dialogue and as I said at the

1457
01:08:41,789 --> 01:08:39,880
beginning of this program I really loved

1458
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:41,799
the idea of studying this like an

1459
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:44,380
academic subject and I hope to see you

1460
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:46,330
there because you'll enjoy speaking to

1461
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:48,730
the people yeah I look forward to doing

1462
01:08:53,789 --> 01:08:51,730
whatever I can to to go to that

1463
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:53,799
important conference by the way you

1464
01:08:59,309 --> 01:08:57,040
mentioned Michael Wolfe and the alien

1465
01:09:00,899 --> 01:08:59,319
will I wanted to ask you about the alien

1466
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:00,909
incident do you have anything to say

1467
01:09:07,919 --> 01:09:06,489
about that the alien incident yeah I was

1468
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,929
just curious that there was some

1469
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:10,239
research I had been doing it I came

1470
01:09:16,099 --> 01:09:14,290
across that you mean that when I went to

1471
01:09:19,649 --> 01:09:16,109
interview Michael Wolff and we have

1472
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:19,659
interference yeah can you talk about

1473
01:09:38,189 --> 01:09:34,330
that because I think Michael Wolfe with

1474
01:09:40,649 --> 01:09:38,199
to get his statement with Adriana's or

1475
01:09:44,220 --> 01:09:40,659
Jonah who is my boss now in Italy I

1476
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,230
write for X Times Magazine this was

1477
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:47,279
years ago it was very young in DNA

1478
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:50,230
shared a hotel room that to save money

1479
01:09:56,970 --> 01:09:53,049
we went to see Michael off we were with

1480
01:09:59,490 --> 01:09:56,980
him all day we saw that commence we saw

1481
01:09:59,940 --> 01:09:59,500
photos of him he played a double agent

1482
01:10:02,220 --> 01:09:59,950
either

1483
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:02,230
the double agent said he he was with the

1484
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:04,210
leaning played an actor in eight and a

1485
01:10:07,890 --> 01:10:05,890
half so we saw the photographs of him

1486
01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:07,900
and ain't Napoli we were there a whole

1487
01:10:11,310 --> 01:10:09,190
day I'm walking out of his apartment

1488
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:11,320
without Diana and I hear all these

1489
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:13,480
dolphin sounds and I said I Janna dude

1490
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:15,820
what's going on I said he sounds like

1491
01:10:21,380 --> 01:10:18,310
dolphins and he said well probably

1492
01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:21,390
elevator is is you know rusty and

1493
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:24,670
squeaky and whatever and we got in the

1494
01:10:31,170 --> 01:10:29,110
elevator it was it was loud and then we

1495
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:31,180
left the building and it was gone that

1496
01:10:35,820 --> 01:10:33,430
night at 3:00 in the morning I wake up

1497
01:10:37,710 --> 01:10:35,830
and look up in the window and something

1498
01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:37,720
is coming in the window that has some

1499
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:39,880
kind of spiral this brought a blue

1500
01:10:44,850 --> 01:10:42,820
spiral and I'm going oh something's

1501
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:44,860
coming in the window and I Gianna from

1502
01:10:50,970 --> 01:10:46,750
the other side of the room screaming and

1503
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:50,980
yelling ha ha ha I hear a voice and he

1504
01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:54,490
heard a female robotic voice in his head

1505
01:11:02,430 --> 01:10:59,260
saying you are soul you know like SL UL

1506
01:11:04,350 --> 01:11:02,440
and he kept the lights on all night and

1507
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:04,360
we'll call this the next day and said

1508
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:06,280
why aren't you here and we said we

1509
01:11:10,350 --> 01:11:07,810
freaked out because all of this was

1510
01:11:12,420 --> 01:11:10,360
happening he goes well he said I sent my

1511
01:11:14,670 --> 01:11:12,430
friends to visit you didn't you see they

1512
01:11:16,530 --> 01:11:14,680
walked out with you from my apartment

1513
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:16,540
he said because they're trying to

1514
01:11:20,670 --> 01:11:18,970
understand human love and I'm thinking

1515
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:20,680
no I didn't see anything but man did I

1516
01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:23,920
hear dolphin sounds you know like crazy

1517
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:27,220
like and then you know and I read the

1518
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:31,480
crane Iran's book on remote viewing and

1519
01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:34,060
he said that the chirping founder that

1520
01:11:38,850 --> 01:11:36,340
often you know the dolphin sounds and

1521
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:38,860
Michael Wolf's original contact was a

1522
01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:41,290
little grey called Kota do you read

1523
01:11:45,330 --> 01:11:43,180
caches of heaven which is very difficult

1524
01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:45,340
coatless picture photograph is on the

1525
01:11:50,780 --> 01:11:48,100
front cover and the human alien on the

1526
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:50,790
back cover and that's odd the blonde the

1527
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:52,030
blonde

1528
01:11:59,880 --> 01:11:54,730
that he was working with the government

1529
01:12:02,580 --> 01:11:59,890
to you know interface with so the that

1530
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:02,590
was the first time and thank God I

1531
01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:05,530
wasn't alone and so audriana's willing

1532
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:08,020
to talk about that because that really

1533
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:10,630
did happen we did do the story we did

1534
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:12,970
print the story it was wonderful because

1535
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:13,690
we

1536
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:15,880
I got to see him two more times after

1537
01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:18,550
that before he died he was an amazing

1538
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:19,480
man

1539
01:12:24,810 --> 01:12:22,330
like a wolf cravat thank you for that

1540
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:24,820
story Paula um I wanted to ask you about

1541
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:27,790
Clifford stone and the Holloman Air

1542
01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:30,610
Force Base film that was at his house

1543
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:34,840
when he visited my god you did a lot of

1544
01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:35,120
research

1545
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:38,670
[Laughter]

1546
01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:42,550
yeah well that happened because I didn't

1547
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:44,020
know what I was doing in when I went to

1548
01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:47,920
see Corso in 1945 when I was you know

1549
01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:50,980
when it was 50th anniversary you know I

1550
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:52,360
was trying to get to see Corso and

1551
01:12:55,980 --> 01:12:53,950
everything but then Clifford stone whom

1552
01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:55,990
I had never met came up to me and said I

1553
01:13:01,530 --> 01:12:58,510
have stuff in my apartment that you

1554
01:13:04,050 --> 01:13:01,540
researchers should see and I looked at

1555
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:04,060
another researchers Victoria Pocket

1556
01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:06,490
Cheney from Brazil we were international

1557
01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:08,980
researchers right nobody came to his

1558
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:11,470
house nobody just Papa Cheney and me

1559
01:13:16,770 --> 01:13:14,740
Italy and Brazil we went to herself and

1560
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:16,780
I didn't I had a movie camera I was

1561
01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:18,790
supposed to report back to my so I

1562
01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:20,740
started filming it and and cliff it

1563
01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:22,750
comes out throws all this microfilm in

1564
01:13:29,460 --> 01:13:26,140
this canister on would he call it on the

1565
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,470
coffee table so my job is just I I don't

1566
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:31,120
know what I'm looking at so I'm just

1567
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,080
filming everything and um I sent it back

1568
01:13:39,450 --> 01:13:37,840
to Maui to my boss and in Italy a FedEx

1569
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:39,460
and he goes you know what you just don't

1570
01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:41,170
he said that's at Holloman landing it

1571
01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:43,630
was you know that canister that was

1572
01:13:47,730 --> 01:13:45,340
right there what didn't you want to see

1573
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,740
it so I called course and I said why

1574
01:13:53,370 --> 01:13:50,320
didn't you tell me and he said well he

1575
01:13:55,380 --> 01:13:53,380
said what the intelligence community

1576
01:13:57,660 --> 01:13:55,390
said was that the real researchers will

1577
01:13:59,310 --> 01:13:57,670
never come over my house that they

1578
01:14:02,850 --> 01:13:59,320
really don't care about the truth that

1579
01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:02,860
if somebody asks you to see it you show

1580
01:14:07,710 --> 01:14:05,020
it to him that it's the first eight

1581
01:14:09,660 --> 01:14:07,720
minutes of the meeting of these beings

1582
01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:09,670
and they were not gray they were Semitic

1583
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:11,140
looking if people want to know what

1584
01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:14,170
happened at Holloman go see the film it

1585
01:14:19,650 --> 01:14:17,800
has begun by M&A Goertz got jug valet

1586
01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:19,660
and the twilight zone guy brought

1587
01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:22,030
certainly and they portray what's on the

1588
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:24,100
first eight minutes of that film and I

1589
01:14:27,089 --> 01:14:25,570
said covert I didn't ask because I

1590
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:27,099
didn't know what it was and he goes

1591
01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:29,110
well I had to give it back to him the

1592
01:14:32,939 --> 01:14:30,760
next day because they were right

1593
01:14:34,649 --> 01:14:32,949
none of the researchers came over I

1594
01:14:37,919 --> 01:14:34,659
filmed it but I didn't know what it was

1595
01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:37,929
I'm not gonna ask him such thing and I

1596
01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:40,420
learned you know I learned it took me a

1597
01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:42,820
long time chance to figure anything out

1598
01:14:45,959 --> 01:14:44,949
because I know buddy told me I didn't go

1599
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:45,969
to school for this

1600
01:14:51,419 --> 01:14:50,110
so do I feel bad yeah cuz if I had asked

1601
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,429
he would have shown it to me that was

1602
01:14:55,890 --> 01:14:53,920
the instruction that Clifford stone got

1603
01:14:59,729 --> 01:14:55,900
if anybody asks you show me the first 8

1604
01:15:01,620 --> 01:14:59,739
minutes and 20 I wanted to ask you about

1605
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:01,630
the people that you brought to Rome on

1606
01:15:09,689 --> 01:15:06,449
your own money can you talk about that

1607
01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:09,699
yeah okay let's see

1608
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:12,820
I brought Jesse Marcel jr. the people

1609
01:15:16,109 --> 01:15:14,650
thought he was well they loved him

1610
01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:16,119
because Jesse Marcel jr. was a

1611
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:18,280
nine-year-old that you know touched all

1612
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:22,300
the he touched all the fragments as that

1613
01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:24,010
brought him in that night and it was a

1614
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:25,630
weather balloon he certainly is a little

1615
01:15:31,379 --> 01:15:28,480
brings fragments to his wife and kid to

1616
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,389
touch he told Jesse that this was

1617
01:15:35,939 --> 01:15:34,000
something from another world um and

1618
01:15:37,950 --> 01:15:35,949
Jesse explained to me that was all over

1619
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:37,960
the kitchen table and there wasn't just

1620
01:15:44,490 --> 01:15:40,170
one i-beam there was like four i-beams

1621
01:15:46,649 --> 01:15:44,500
or more and so I had him and his family

1622
01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:46,659
and then I had dr. John Mack and I took

1623
01:15:51,660 --> 01:15:49,750
dr. John Mack to speak in Florence he

1624
01:15:54,629 --> 01:15:51,670
was amazing he spoke with young people

1625
01:15:58,350 --> 01:15:54,639
he loved young people probably the man

1626
01:16:01,740 --> 01:15:58,360
that I loved the most you know when when

1627
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:01,750
we were working is dr. Mack he was very

1628
01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:04,510
present he was very intellectual he was

1629
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:06,550
very kind and he changed his mind so

1630
01:16:13,950 --> 01:16:09,550
many times that I talked about contact

1631
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:13,960
it as contact and then Ryan would who

1632
01:16:19,979 --> 01:16:17,320
had the book MJ it's called eyes only it

1633
01:16:22,859 --> 01:16:19,989
has 93 crashes and that's where I saw

1634
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:22,869
that one on San Antonio right I brought

1635
01:16:33,419 --> 01:16:27,690
Ryan wood I brought over Russell Targ

1636
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:33,429
several times goodness Olinda how spoke

1637
01:16:40,940 --> 01:16:38,320
for us just Richard Dolan and his family

1638
01:16:45,790 --> 01:16:40,950
paul davids who did was

1639
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:45,800
the the director of the movie Roswell Oh

1640
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:49,980
so many I can't remember them all who

1641
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:51,450
came and they all stayed in my apartment

1642
01:16:57,230 --> 01:16:55,050
Oh Travis Walton twice so they all slept

1643
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,240
in my bedroom so just like George

1644
01:17:03,740 --> 01:16:59,520
Washington had that that everybody slept

1645
01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:03,750
in but I have that too Robert Dean at

1646
01:17:08,990 --> 01:17:05,670
least twice

1647
01:17:10,460 --> 01:17:09,000
good grief just so many and therefore I

1648
01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:10,470
got to be personal friends that could

1649
01:17:16,580 --> 01:17:12,590
talk to them about the real situation

1650
01:17:18,590 --> 01:17:16,590
yes thank you very much for answering

1651
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:18,600
those questions I wanted to ask you

1652
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:21,840
something that is it might be a little

1653
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:25,500
emotional but I'll ask nonetheless do

1654
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:28,500
you how do you feel the topic of you

1655
01:17:36,050 --> 01:17:32,850
apology may have possibly destroyed your

1656
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:36,060
career as a teacher in Rome if that did

1657
01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:42,510
occur but I've ever talked to done this

1658
01:17:47,420 --> 01:17:45,060
work including poor ecar dollars that

1659
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:47,430
was it was a pharmaceutical it was a

1660
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:54,330
pharmaceutical he got fired I mean I

1661
01:18:00,050 --> 01:17:56,730
would have happened to me if I ended my

1662
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:00,060
career because and it was a natural

1663
01:18:06,380 --> 01:18:04,170
ending because I was replaced with a

1664
01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:06,390
first year teacher after 15 years and it

1665
01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:11,430
forced me to it forced me to confront

1666
01:18:18,410 --> 01:18:14,520
the educational system I was told from

1667
01:18:19,790 --> 01:18:18,420
day one do not talk about this ever in

1668
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:19,800
the classroom but kids aren't stupid

1669
01:18:24,860 --> 01:18:23,010
they saw the website and I never did

1670
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:24,870
talk about it in the classroom that if

1671
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:26,610
they wanted to go to McDonald's in Rome

1672
01:18:31,670 --> 01:18:28,560
I talked to them about it because young

1673
01:18:34,190 --> 01:18:31,680
people are really really interested what

1674
01:18:36,380 --> 01:18:34,200
freaks young people about it is that

1675
01:18:38,030 --> 01:18:36,390
it's real I mean Here I am dealing with

1676
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:38,040
an astronomer I mean it's real I'm not

1677
01:18:42,830 --> 01:18:40,290
talking to people that are making things

1678
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:42,840
up or whatever they have backgrounds and

1679
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:46,530
I think chant what really happened was

1680
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:49,110
that whoever is guiding my career didn't

1681
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:51,270
want me doing that anymore they

1682
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:53,130
basically wanted me to go out in the

1683
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:54,110
field and of course I

1684
01:18:59,920 --> 01:18:55,910
can't do that when I have a full-time

1685
01:19:03,550 --> 01:18:59,930
job so when that all I you know when I

1686
01:19:06,810 --> 01:19:03,560
ended my career there in I think it was

1687
01:19:10,270 --> 01:19:06,820
2005 I was invited to speak in Canada

1688
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:10,280
with Paul Hellyer and I became else I

1689
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:13,610
couldn't go and it was Paul Hellyer

1690
01:19:20,410 --> 01:19:16,400
coming out with Stanton Friedman Richard

1691
01:19:21,970 --> 01:19:20,420
Dolan and Steve Bassett and it was

1692
01:19:24,220 --> 01:19:21,980
University of Toronto and I was supposed

1693
01:19:27,820 --> 01:19:24,230
to be the woman I'm always the token

1694
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:27,830
woman everywhere so never I know yeah

1695
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:38,210
that happened in Barcelona - I was yeah

1696
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,850
that's the problem is that they don't

1697
01:19:43,450 --> 01:19:42,800
take you seriously no I look I'm going

1698
01:19:46,510 --> 01:19:43,460
okay

1699
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:46,520
you know I'm looking at this and and you

1700
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:50,330
you don't understand that this for me as

1701
01:19:56,050 --> 01:19:52,490
an educator if I have a massive that's

1702
01:19:59,770 --> 01:19:56,060
how I think I think as an educator this

1703
01:20:02,710 --> 01:19:59,780
is serious business so I then figured

1704
01:20:06,250 --> 01:20:02,720
out that some whoever it is that's

1705
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:06,260
guiding this research didn't want me

1706
01:20:13,380 --> 01:20:10,250
working full-time so I flew to Canada on

1707
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:13,390
my own dime after I became well and I

1708
01:20:20,290 --> 01:20:15,770
interviewed Paul Hellyer in a went viral

1709
01:20:22,270 --> 01:20:20,300
and I interviewed him in in his office

1710
01:20:24,910 --> 01:20:22,280
and he could see the CN tower but you

1711
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:24,920
know that started my career is going all

1712
01:20:28,150 --> 01:20:26,510
over the world interviewing people

1713
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:28,160
because I believe the people should just

1714
01:20:32,440 --> 01:20:29,810
that's why I want him to go in YouTube

1715
01:20:35,380 --> 01:20:32,450
channel decide for themselves and for me

1716
01:20:36,460 --> 01:20:35,390
Paul Hellyer is a hero but everybody

1717
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:36,470
that was sitting there didn't pay

1718
01:20:42,910 --> 01:20:39,530
attention to him and I'm going why he

1719
01:20:45,370 --> 01:20:42,920
because Paul Hellyer said that kernel

1720
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,380
courses look convinced him and he had

1721
01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:47,600
called the general in the United States

1722
01:20:52,540 --> 01:20:50,510
to verify Corso and the general said to

1723
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:52,550
him the Corsa was telling the truth and

1724
01:20:59,740 --> 01:20:57,050
more he added and more so you know

1725
01:21:01,540 --> 01:20:59,750
that's why Paul used the famous phrase

1726
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,550
and he's Minister of Defence like

1727
01:21:06,430 --> 01:21:03,920
McNamara was in the same period of time

1728
01:21:07,580 --> 01:21:06,440
he said UFOs are as real as the

1729
01:21:09,950 --> 01:21:07,590
airplanes overhead

1730
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:09,960
can you tell me what more disclosure you

1731
01:21:18,830 --> 01:21:15,420
want them back I mean the Minister of

1732
01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:18,840
Defense he's not nuts I mean this is

1733
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,510
what you know him and all the other

1734
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:23,520
military people the disclosure project

1735
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:26,340
with Steven Greer in 2009 I went to the

1736
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:30,000
Citizen hearing with 36 generals from

1737
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:32,610
South America Kennedy was there Frank

1738
01:21:37,130 --> 01:21:35,400
and you know people from England and all

1739
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:37,140
over and they're testifying in front of

1740
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:38,970
these Congress people yeah our friend

1741
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:45,600
Alex Jay daddy was there too yeah I mean

1742
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:47,730
what is it entertainment you just want

1743
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:51,210
the next flavor of ice cream I mean it

1744
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,810
it's real the generals of South America

1745
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:56,480
were freaked out they can't control

1746
01:22:02,240 --> 01:21:59,520
their air air they can't control the the

1747
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:02,250
the you know the airports Sarat the

1748
01:22:06,620 --> 01:22:04,110
military airports because UFOs are

1749
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:06,630
flying over them and by the way the UFOs

1750
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:13,140
are not on vacation I mean what are they

1751
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:15,600
just flying over these military airports

1752
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:17,190
because they have nothing better to do I

1753
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:19,260
mean you know people aren't using their

1754
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,570
brain yeah you mentioned just very

1755
01:22:31,190 --> 01:22:27,120
slightly about females and UF ology I

1756
01:22:34,940 --> 01:22:31,200
deal with that on a regular regarding

1757
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:34,950
people not everybody but certain

1758
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,690
individuals you might treat me in

1759
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:39,120
differently because I am female I know

1760
01:22:46,820 --> 01:22:43,310
you've had decades of more research on

1761
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:46,830
me in this field and wanted to know have

1762
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:51,360
you dealt with it in a manner that you

1763
01:22:58,340 --> 01:22:56,400
felt was extremely negative oh yeah in

1764
01:23:01,420 --> 01:22:58,350
the beginning mm-hmm

1765
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:01,430
you know Frank asked me about the Coons

1766
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:03,690
anthropological nuttin Ella and I come

1767
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:05,100
in and I give a lecture on Richard

1768
01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:07,020
Hoagland could have spent three weeks at

1769
01:23:10,940 --> 01:23:09,270
his house talking about Mars and they

1770
01:23:13,370 --> 01:23:10,950
hand around to each other I said how did

1771
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:13,380
she get in there how did she go to

1772
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:15,930
Hogwarts house and the reason was

1773
01:23:19,340 --> 01:23:17,610
because Richard Hoagland invited me to

1774
01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:19,350
his house and he would ask me to read

1775
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,420
he'd say you're a guest here I want you

1776
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:23,280
read all these books I'm giving you and

1777
01:23:28,370 --> 01:23:26,090
I'd have to go to my room and read and

1778
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:28,380
what did they think I was doing there

1779
01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:31,410
you know I mean and then he give me the

1780
01:23:37,340 --> 01:23:34,140
story and then I I would tell the

1781
01:23:38,990 --> 01:23:37,350
Italians and and unfortunately the old

1782
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:39,000
boys club that's what I call the old

1783
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:41,400
boys club whether it's in Italy with

1784
01:23:47,959 --> 01:23:44,730
that or you know it was MUFON afro

1785
01:23:50,030 --> 01:23:47,969
Koufos when I went to work for Koufos

1786
01:23:52,370 --> 01:23:50,040
Center for UFO studies with Allen Hynek

1787
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:52,380
there was a Perl Area phenomenal and

1788
01:23:57,620 --> 01:23:54,810
research organization I'm very close to

1789
01:24:01,250 --> 01:23:57,630
MUFON I love Jim Marrs am but there's

1790
01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:01,260
you know very few women so you've got

1791
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,340
all these older guys who you know they

1792
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:07,199
back to the old days and they do an

1793
01:24:13,630 --> 01:24:10,110
amazing job but what we need is young

1794
01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:13,640
people and we need more serious

1795
01:24:18,770 --> 01:24:17,100
researchers that do an read that read

1796
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:18,780
the materials are go all over the world

1797
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:20,520
and interview people I mean we need that

1798
01:24:25,550 --> 01:24:23,699
kind of stuff and it takes money Jan I

1799
01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:25,560
mean if I even I could give you the

1800
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:27,270
names of all the people that you could

1801
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:29,400
interview that you've mentioned to me so

1802
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,840
you've gotta fly there you're gonna stay

1803
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:33,600
in a hotel and it takes money and I'm

1804
01:24:37,490 --> 01:24:35,370
convinced that's one of the reasons like

1805
01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:37,500
a lot of the guys that they would say

1806
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:39,540
I'm not gonna spend my money on this

1807
01:24:43,820 --> 01:24:41,610
stuff you're nuts you spend all your

1808
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:43,830
money and my kids are going you could go

1809
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:47,010
you could go to the Caribbean mom on the

1810
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:53,370
beach in year old yeah right well I

1811
01:24:58,939 --> 01:24:56,370
don't have a choice anybody that you

1812
01:25:02,000 --> 01:24:58,949
speak to that is a serious researcher is

1813
01:25:04,729 --> 01:25:02,010
driven because they don't have a choice

1814
01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:04,739
I agree I agree with you on that

1815
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:07,560
I feel driven every day I study this day

1816
01:25:12,169 --> 01:25:09,900
and night by the way you mentioned

1817
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:12,179
somebody who is a really wonderful

1818
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:14,130
person by the name of Jan horizon--

1819
01:25:21,169 --> 01:25:17,850
that's executive director of MUFON and I

1820
01:25:22,939 --> 01:25:21,179
interviewed him twice Frank and I

1821
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:22,949
actually interviewed him recently he's a

1822
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:26,010
wonderful person and we thoroughly

1823
01:25:32,090 --> 01:25:27,690
enjoyed having had the privilege of

1824
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:32,100
interviewing Kim I love him but there

1825
01:25:37,450 --> 01:25:35,250
again you know Jan worked for IBM so why

1826
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:37,460
Jim doing this because he had a sighting

1827
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:40,170
and it changes your life I mean I think

1828
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:44,010
I didn't get Bob till I was 32 yeah

1829
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:47,040
there's something I watched a movie uh I

1830
01:25:50,780 --> 01:25:48,450
want to come back to that but there's

1831
01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:50,790
only two people to my knowledge and

1832
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:52,980
MUFON that make money and I'll let me

1833
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:55,440
I'll explain that in a moment and that

1834
01:25:59,810 --> 01:25:57,810
is his personal secretary and then

1835
01:26:02,900 --> 01:25:59,820
himself they receive a salary

1836
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:02,910
it's a pittance it's not hardly anything

1837
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:05,520
they don't make any money at all

1838
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:07,770
off of this topic I want to make that

1839
01:26:15,860 --> 01:26:10,710
clear but regarding the movie that you

1840
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:15,870
saw which one wasn't good garden a lot

1841
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:17,610
that you've mentioned a movie that you

1842
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:20,130
saw that you felt was influenced

1843
01:26:32,630 --> 01:26:29,850
encounters I'm glad you mentioned have

1844
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:32,640
anything happened yeah dr. Allen Hynek

1845
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:35,130
said on an interview that it was a

1846
01:26:39,710 --> 01:26:36,930
interview Frank pointed out to me to

1847
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:39,720
listen to the interviewer mentioned that

1848
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:42,330
movie and Hynek said something to the

1849
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,730
effect of the 18 million dollar movie

1850
01:27:00,620 --> 01:26:46,320
with a thousand dollar title because

1851
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:00,630
that's all he got for that movie oh no

1852
01:27:08,150 --> 01:27:03,300
that was yeah no he was being in her

1853
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:08,160
voice yeah okay well I don't know he

1854
01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:10,770
coined the phrase you know when a fourth

1855
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:14,460
time third kind and so forth but in the

1856
01:27:20,540 --> 01:27:18,540
end the problem you know even with

1857
01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:20,550
people not you know the US the UFO

1858
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:21,960
community in general not getting

1859
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:24,570
together is the money it's like who gets

1860
01:27:30,050 --> 01:27:27,060
more money than who and all the money

1861
01:27:35,180 --> 01:27:30,060
people and all that it I can't look at

1862
01:27:36,860 --> 01:27:35,190
that I have to as a professor or a

1863
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:36,870
teacher I want to know

1864
01:27:43,580 --> 01:27:40,020
and that's my motivation I want to know

1865
01:27:46,010 --> 01:27:43,590
I'll do what I can to for instance I

1866
01:27:49,899 --> 01:27:46,020
sponsored the Laughlin conference and

1867
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:49,909
I've had to refinance my house three

1868
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:55,110
it's coming out of my pocket and and the

1869
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,040
people are the I mean we have 300 people

1870
01:28:03,950 --> 01:28:01,199
but you get other conferences that have

1871
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:03,960
abduction experiencers and all that and

1872
01:28:08,540 --> 01:28:06,810
they have thousands of people and I'm

1873
01:28:10,339 --> 01:28:08,550
going okay no I'm trying to change the

1874
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:10,349
paradigm and I want you to know what the

1875
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:12,780
real story is with Fri with Nick Pope

1876
01:28:19,310 --> 01:28:16,560
talking about their documents with all

1877
01:28:22,430 --> 01:28:19,320
the people involved I want us to end the

1878
01:28:26,089 --> 01:28:22,440
end see that this is not entertainment

1879
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:26,099
what this is is an effort to bring the

1880
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:27,030
history together

1881
01:28:34,459 --> 01:28:30,690
so that the humanity can unite unite in

1882
01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:34,469
some way if there are cosmic cultures

1883
01:28:37,820 --> 01:28:36,300
that want to give a him as don't

1884
01:28:41,689 --> 01:28:37,830
announce that if you lead will match

1885
01:28:44,089 --> 01:28:41,699
your efforts they can't do it if they're

1886
01:28:45,709 --> 01:28:44,099
individually caught up in a movie star

1887
01:28:47,859 --> 01:28:45,719
status mm-hm

1888
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:47,869
they they have to do it to come together

1889
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:50,730
like recovered the Gonzalez is doing in

1890
01:28:57,500 --> 01:28:53,610
Creston on August yeah everybody's got

1891
01:29:00,859 --> 01:28:57,510
that yeah well I was I was a consultant

1892
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:00,869
and did the movie serious with Steven

1893
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:04,080
Brill and I also as a consultant for

1894
01:29:10,490 --> 01:29:07,320
unacknowledged with Steven Greer and at

1895
01:29:13,729 --> 01:29:10,500
the end of the six days and we saw UFOs

1896
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:13,739
I mean but but we were totally quiet it

1897
01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:17,760
was not a circus it was an effort you

1898
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:21,420
know Steven does the puja ceremony in in

1899
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:24,570
Sanskrit where he recites it now at that

1900
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:26,250
time because of the movie we had nine

1901
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:29,250
box cameras on trees and everything and

1902
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:31,650
the stuff that was over our heads when

1903
01:29:36,050 --> 01:29:34,110
he was doing the puja ceremony one of

1904
01:29:39,709 --> 01:29:36,060
the photos as this huge angel with wings

1905
01:29:42,260 --> 01:29:39,719
but other photos have unlike beings as

1906
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:42,270
we're in that circle and these are not

1907
01:29:47,780 --> 01:29:43,770
things you could see with the naked eye

1908
01:29:50,689 --> 01:29:47,790
so I fell in love with crest owns from

1909
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:50,699
that movie and I bought five acres of

1910
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:54,210
land because you can't to get to customs

1911
01:29:56,689 --> 01:29:56,250
a real challenge if there's nothing

1912
01:29:58,189 --> 01:29:56,699
there

1913
01:30:01,450 --> 01:29:58,199
I mean it's like in the middle of

1914
01:30:02,750 --> 01:30:01,460
nowhere in southern Colorado so I

1915
01:30:04,820 --> 01:30:02,760
realize

1916
01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:04,830
that if people want to communicate you

1917
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:06,270
could see the whole Milky Way every

1918
01:30:11,540 --> 01:30:07,980
single star in the sky there's no light

1919
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:11,550
pollution and the whole story of crest

1920
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:14,370
own is that it was an experiment where

1921
01:30:18,860 --> 01:30:15,840
all the religions were together because

1922
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:18,870
there's like by - rams the carnival

1923
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:22,260
Carmelite nuns humane was a Zen Center

1924
01:30:28,460 --> 01:30:25,110
and it is an experiment and it was made

1925
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:28,470
by some Canadian Hannah strong and her

1926
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:30,810
husband Maurice strong they had money

1927
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:32,730
from Lawrence Rockefeller to create

1928
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:35,489
crush stones which people don't know

1929
01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:39,930
this but it's a special spot so for me

1930
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:42,750
to have five acres of land to invite the

1931
01:30:48,740 --> 01:30:45,090
COG doesn't speak about you know the

1932
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:48,750
messages and world peace is something

1933
01:30:54,530 --> 01:30:51,210
that I would rather do than appear on

1934
01:30:57,470 --> 01:30:54,540
television appear on any TV program you

1935
01:31:00,170 --> 01:30:57,480
know promote my career or anything to me

1936
01:31:02,690 --> 01:31:00,180
it's a lot of satisfaction to be there

1937
01:31:05,870 --> 01:31:02,700
with all these people in unison under

1938
01:31:08,090 --> 01:31:05,880
the stars yeah I wanted to ask you about

1939
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:08,100
the event at crust on but first if you

1940
01:31:12,620 --> 01:31:10,380
don't mind I wanted to mention some

1941
01:31:18,410 --> 01:31:12,630
filmography you have been involved in is

1942
01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:18,420
that okay come what something yeah a

1943
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:20,760
filmography that you've been involved in

1944
01:31:25,790 --> 01:31:23,489
how about I started with listing them

1945
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:25,800
off and you can tell me if you're

1946
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:30,060
involved with them that is open minds is

1947
01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:31,440
that correct

1948
01:31:41,660 --> 01:31:35,820
beyond belief which originally beyond

1949
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:41,670
belief yeah okay okay I have a just

1950
01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:43,890
mentioned a list here ETS among us UFO

1951
01:31:48,410 --> 01:31:45,390
witnesses and whistleblowers is that

1952
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:48,420
correct yeah but I don't remember who

1953
01:31:56,210 --> 01:31:52,380
did it who did that right then there's

1954
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:56,220
UFOs and international perspective yeah

1955
01:32:00,440 --> 01:31:58,080
these are all talks I did the

1956
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,450
videography stuff these are videography

1957
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:02,880
so that the the the films were safe

1958
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:05,010
space you mentioned that because I

1959
01:32:10,190 --> 01:32:07,410
brought Monsignor Balducci to Washington

1960
01:32:13,190 --> 01:32:10,200
and and I have I'm with Balducci

1961
01:32:16,130 --> 01:32:13,200
translating that's Robert miles safe

1962
01:32:16,580 --> 01:32:16,140
space I did that I was a consultant on

1963
01:32:20,060 --> 01:32:16,590
on

1964
01:32:22,250 --> 01:32:20,070
knowledged and serious serious changed

1965
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:22,260
my life I mean six days out in the

1966
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:23,580
wilderness my god

1967
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:25,920
and with Steven Greer and me at the M

1968
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:29,040
Stephen says to me

1969
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:30,719
at the very end he doesn't want to go I

1970
01:32:36,290 --> 01:32:33,360
mean he goes why would you want to do

1971
01:32:40,490 --> 01:32:36,300
anything else and I'm thinking my god

1972
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:40,500
yeah I just look up at the stars why

1973
01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:49,170
would I want to do anything else like

1974
01:32:54,379 --> 01:32:51,060
everybody's yelling and screaming and

1975
01:33:00,910 --> 01:32:54,389
you know take us and all it has to be

1976
01:33:03,140 --> 01:33:00,920
to'd occasion so it's a different thing

1977
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:03,150
yeah Paul you're breaking up a little

1978
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:06,810
bit yeah yeah I think somebody was

1979
01:33:13,010 --> 01:33:09,090
trying to call that can you hear

1980
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:13,020
me now yeah you're crying again I'm

1981
01:33:18,109 --> 01:33:15,540
breaking up you're working right now

1982
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:18,119
yeah we can hear you right now and then

1983
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:21,210
also did you do a documentary called

1984
01:33:27,260 --> 01:33:24,690
fast walkers yeah that would say face

1985
01:33:30,939 --> 01:33:27,270
that's what okay called thank god and

1986
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:30,949
then is there the day before disclosure

1987
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:35,130
yeah that was that was I think tersh

1988
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:38,730
from Norway and he asked me about all

1989
01:33:44,990 --> 01:33:43,770
the people I had interviewed and he

1990
01:33:47,930 --> 01:33:45,000
couldn't believe I was all over the

1991
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:47,940
place it's like he couldn't believe I

1992
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:51,060
talked to all those people but yeah that

1993
01:33:55,970 --> 01:33:53,010
was that's a good one because I just

1994
01:33:58,220 --> 01:33:55,980
recount what everybody said right that

1995
01:34:00,439 --> 01:33:58,230
was done in 2010 and then I have another

1996
01:34:06,919 --> 01:34:00,449
one that's called the conspiracy show

1997
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:06,929
with Richard surrett well that's okay

1998
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:08,610
about the secret space program is that

1999
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:10,860
right yeah but I don't know anything

2000
01:34:17,660 --> 01:34:13,080
about the Germans did a secret space

2001
01:34:18,979 --> 01:34:17,670
program but that that also you know I

2002
01:34:21,379 --> 01:34:18,989
don't want to make any comments on that

2003
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:21,389
Germans did and there is a secret space

2004
01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:23,040
program at some times but I'm not sure

2005
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:26,820
we know all the details of that okay

2006
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:29,219
guys that really that I will tell you

2007
01:34:33,450 --> 01:34:30,400
this

2008
01:34:37,050 --> 01:34:33,460
to move on to their conference in July

2009
01:34:38,970 --> 01:34:37,060
they had gary mckinnon on who was the

2010
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:38,980
one that found out all the astronauts

2011
01:34:44,729 --> 01:34:41,920
space astronauts he's amazing

2012
01:34:48,899 --> 01:34:44,739
people should be talking to him they

2013
01:34:50,910 --> 01:34:48,909
threatened it said nobody's going on

2014
01:34:54,060 --> 01:34:50,920
television shows after that episode

2015
01:34:55,979 --> 01:34:54,070
after episode McKinnon was so freaked

2016
01:34:58,080 --> 01:34:55,989
out when they came after him that he had

2017
01:35:00,209 --> 01:34:58,090
a cyanide pill ready to commit suicide

2018
01:35:02,250 --> 01:35:00,219
if you're involved in these programs

2019
01:35:05,610 --> 01:35:02,260
really and nobody wants you to talk

2020
01:35:07,709 --> 01:35:05,620
you're not going to talk and I was just

2021
01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:07,719
blown away with Gary McKinnon my god I

2022
01:35:13,979 --> 01:35:11,140
he was he doesn't he talked for MUFON at

2023
01:35:18,090 --> 01:35:13,989
that conference and I taped him but he's

2024
01:35:20,250 --> 01:35:18,100
the real deal okay thank you for

2025
01:35:23,010 --> 01:35:20,260
mentioning that back to your event at

2026
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:23,020
crest stone which is it true that you're

2027
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:24,960
hosting that in the summer is that right

2028
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:26,080
yeah

2029
01:35:31,820 --> 01:35:29,409
August 23rd to 25th the first hundred

2030
01:35:37,979 --> 01:35:31,830
people would sign up they can go on the

2031
01:35:40,919 --> 01:35:37,989
www Starworks usa.com website and it's

2032
01:35:43,740 --> 01:35:40,929
I'm not involved if Chicago was going to

2033
01:35:45,540 --> 01:35:43,750
do it we have a interpreter who will

2034
01:35:48,209 --> 01:35:45,550
interpret because he's you know so to

2035
01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:48,219
speak of Spanish it and the interpreter

2036
01:35:52,350 --> 01:35:50,020
he speaks good they're pretty good

2037
01:35:55,229 --> 01:35:52,360
English but but we have an interpreter

2038
01:35:58,560 --> 01:35:55,239
for him and it's three days out across

2039
01:36:00,120 --> 01:35:58,570
them okay and can you mention all the

2040
01:36:02,189 --> 01:36:00,130
conference's that you will be doing this

2041
01:36:06,540 --> 01:36:02,199
year aside from crest onin the one in

2042
01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:06,550
November are there more yeah I'm on my

2043
01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:09,340
way to the consciousness light Expo and

2044
01:36:15,540 --> 01:36:12,310
I'm going to be interviewing Emery Smith

2045
01:36:17,459 --> 01:36:15,550
on stage on the second day and people

2046
01:36:21,149 --> 01:36:17,469
should look into Emery Smith sees with

2047
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:21,159
Gaia TV and he has an insider and I am

2048
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:23,350
going to be doing a lecture at ions in

2049
01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:26,530
Petaluma on the 12th of February then

2050
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:28,750
I'm going to Peru for a month with the

2051
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:32,320
camera crew to look at the contacts of

2052
01:36:37,649 --> 01:36:34,750
the seventy and then I'm going with

2053
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:37,659
Regina Meredith and May to dial and of

2054
01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:41,440
Sardinia and finnaly hardly anybody goes

2055
01:36:45,839 --> 01:36:42,940
to that island but they have these

2056
01:36:48,899 --> 01:36:45,849
15-foot tall

2057
01:36:53,220 --> 01:36:48,909
they have 15 foot long tooth and they

2058
01:36:56,939 --> 01:36:53,230
have giant bones of giant and so guy is

2059
01:36:59,819 --> 01:36:56,949
doing a special I'm going with Regina

2060
01:37:01,560 --> 01:36:59,829
Meredith there and my boss Adriano John

2061
01:37:05,370 --> 01:37:01,570
and we're going to be on that island and

2062
01:37:07,919 --> 01:37:05,380
then I'm coming back and doing alien con

2063
01:37:08,729 --> 01:37:07,929
on Colonel under what's his name Ellen

2064
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:08,739
hi Nicholas

2065
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:11,650
Paul hi Nick his son I'm doing I'm going

2066
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:14,320
to go to the move on conference because

2067
01:37:22,979 --> 01:37:19,840
I support MUFON 150% in July and then I

2068
01:37:26,910 --> 01:37:22,989
speak in Canada and Toronto at their

2069
01:37:29,310 --> 01:37:26,920
MUFON conference and then I then there's

2070
01:37:31,950 --> 01:37:29,320
mine and in November where I'm bringing

2071
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:31,960
all these people together to talk about

2072
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:34,570
UFOs remote viewing and communication

2073
01:37:42,319 --> 01:37:38,320
with et okay and how do people find out

2074
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:42,329
more about that one that's on my website

2075
01:37:49,950 --> 01:37:46,960
Paola Harris pa Ola Harris calm and on

2076
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,960
star wars and on star wars right now

2077
01:37:53,790 --> 01:37:51,760
we're getting a special anybody that

2078
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:53,800
signs up they get a free remote viewing

2079
01:37:59,790 --> 01:37:56,050
class from Sean McNamara and that is

2080
01:38:02,459 --> 01:37:59,800
really a treat so because I mean remote

2081
01:38:05,819 --> 01:38:02,469
viewing actually that's just the ability

2082
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:05,829
to see and to understand your

2083
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:07,449
environment I mean can you imagine if

2084
01:38:11,490 --> 01:38:09,280
you could remove your your car keys if

2085
01:38:17,129 --> 01:38:11,500
you lose them I mean you don't have to

2086
01:38:18,930 --> 01:38:17,139
do military remote viewing SP for god

2087
01:38:20,459 --> 01:38:18,940
sakes I mean you could feel remote

2088
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:20,469
viewing is you could feel people you

2089
01:38:23,220 --> 01:38:21,730
know they're gonna be your friend or

2090
01:38:26,189 --> 01:38:23,230
enemy I mean if they're these these

2091
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:26,199
talents are very important in everyday

2092
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:28,690
life it's not just you know weirdness

2093
01:38:33,390 --> 01:38:31,540
Paulo have you ever used remote viewing

2094
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:33,400
as part of your research to generate

2095
01:38:38,339 --> 01:38:37,090
leads or fear anything up that any

2096
01:38:41,790 --> 01:38:38,349
questions you might have had in your own

2097
01:38:44,910 --> 01:38:41,800
mind you know Frank I'm terrible I never

2098
01:38:49,890 --> 01:38:44,920
stopped to you I'm terrible I'm terrible

2099
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:49,900
I mean every the only way that I will do

2100
01:39:01,020 --> 01:38:52,510
meditation doing is if you drive me out

2101
01:39:06,910 --> 01:39:05,169
you're fading again unfortunately I said

2102
01:39:09,010 --> 01:39:06,920
you have to drag me out into the

2103
01:39:11,379 --> 01:39:09,020
wilderness and let me meditate that's

2104
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:11,389
the only time it's quiet my mind got it

2105
01:39:16,930 --> 01:39:14,719
got it okay I wanted to ask you about

2106
01:39:18,339 --> 01:39:16,940
Bruce Maccabee do you ever have any

2107
01:39:22,330 --> 01:39:18,349
contact with him

2108
01:39:27,549 --> 01:39:22,340
Paula I know he's at the ex conferences

2109
01:39:29,770 --> 01:39:27,559
that I spoke at with with um you know

2110
01:39:32,620 --> 01:39:29,780
Steve Bassett invited me to speak of 5x

2111
01:39:34,839 --> 01:39:32,630
conferences but what I do know about him

2112
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:34,849
is that he researched the Gulf Breeze

2113
01:39:41,620 --> 01:39:38,630
case which I support can you talk a

2114
01:39:43,450 --> 01:39:41,630
little bit about it yeah well I went to

2115
01:39:45,819 --> 01:39:43,460
Gulf Breeze I was invited to speak there

2116
01:39:47,919 --> 01:39:45,829
and I went to the school where there was

2117
01:39:49,569 --> 01:39:47,929
the mark of the you know the craft

2118
01:39:54,069 --> 01:39:49,579
landed and what happens with all these

2119
01:39:56,530 --> 01:39:54,079
poor you know contactees like like ed

2120
01:39:58,990 --> 01:39:56,540
Walters is they just like the total core

2121
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,000
so our own people bash them so much they

2122
01:40:03,970 --> 01:40:01,280
give up and they just leave yeah go

2123
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:03,980
underground so I know that Bruce

2124
01:40:07,299 --> 01:40:05,840
Maccabee worked on that I've read the

2125
01:40:09,129 --> 01:40:07,309
books and I talked to the people there

2126
01:40:11,859 --> 01:40:09,139
and that was a real case but it's gone

2127
01:40:14,290 --> 01:40:11,869
it's because our own people go after

2128
01:40:16,959 --> 01:40:14,300
these people and they say oh no like

2129
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:16,969
bill I the most famous is billionaire

2130
01:40:22,569 --> 01:40:21,050
this is pretty minor I talk to the

2131
01:40:25,660 --> 01:40:22,579
people the Japanese came and bought

2132
01:40:29,799 --> 01:40:25,670
everything including the kid scrap metal

2133
01:40:31,569 --> 01:40:29,809
them there had dashes that case it's

2134
01:40:34,450 --> 01:40:31,579
over nobody's gonna go there and I

2135
01:40:36,879 --> 01:40:34,460
talked to the townspeople saw the photos

2136
01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:36,889
by the way Photoshop was not invented

2137
01:40:44,020 --> 01:40:41,360
until 1992 and those photos were 1970s

2138
01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:44,030
so nobody's even using their brain mm-hm

2139
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:48,380
you know and that case I believe is

2140
01:40:52,060 --> 01:40:50,270
totally real but we've just dismissed

2141
01:40:54,010 --> 01:40:52,070
all these cases because somebody comes

2142
01:40:58,089 --> 01:40:54,020
you know they're gonna holler hoax

2143
01:40:59,589 --> 01:40:58,099
without doing any real research they're

2144
01:41:02,649 --> 01:40:59,599
gonna hire hooks for everything

2145
01:41:04,620 --> 01:41:02,659
everything I'm Tony who's he who's the

2146
01:41:09,819 --> 01:41:04,630
case in Italy that takes incredible

2147
01:41:11,859 --> 01:41:09,829
movies of metal UFOs I'm no name for 25

2148
01:41:12,430 --> 01:41:11,869
years and I was in Mexico City when he

2149
01:41:16,420 --> 01:41:12,440
pointed

2150
01:41:18,910 --> 01:41:16,430
when out to me and the Mexican would

2151
01:41:21,729 --> 01:41:18,920
call it television came out and filmed

2152
01:41:24,130 --> 01:41:21,739
it he's a contact II that somehow they

2153
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:24,140
fly over his place they're telling me

2154
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:25,730
those are metal buttons and all these

2155
01:41:31,870 --> 01:41:28,730
people are crazy I mean I've known I'm

2156
01:41:34,180 --> 01:41:31,880
telling you for 20 years and before

2157
01:41:36,850 --> 01:41:34,190
everybody even heard of him inside his

2158
01:41:39,459 --> 01:41:36,860
films some of these whether they're up

2159
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:39,469
close and personal or beautiful is not

2160
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:42,110
an excuse for calling it a hope you're

2161
01:41:47,650 --> 01:41:44,690
going to have to do heavy heavy research

2162
01:41:50,350 --> 01:41:47,660
and it can't be photographic research

2163
01:41:52,900 --> 01:41:50,360
because Billy Meyer the photos are real

2164
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:52,910
and I talked to what's-his-name little

2165
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:54,710
speedos before he died he wasn't there

2166
01:41:59,620 --> 01:41:57,290
Wendell Stevens was there she told me

2167
01:42:01,330 --> 01:41:59,630
that Billy would get a call he would

2168
01:42:03,070 --> 01:42:01,340
walk out in the snow his footprints

2169
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:03,080
would disappear they'd have to go to

2170
01:42:07,930 --> 01:42:05,449
cities over to pick him up so everybody

2171
01:42:11,050 --> 01:42:07,940
and I'd say to just miss the Billy Mayer

2172
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:11,060
case it's over and they will dismiss any

2173
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:13,489
other case that comes out you know you

2174
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:15,410
have to I talk to the townspeople and

2175
01:42:23,290 --> 01:42:19,280
you met Rudy it was real so I'm glad

2176
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:23,300
yeah thank you for mentioning I'm sorry

2177
01:42:25,810 --> 01:42:24,290
to interrupt you thank you for

2178
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:25,820
mentioning all the difficulty a

2179
01:42:30,820 --> 01:42:27,890
researcher can have in this field if

2180
01:42:32,410 --> 01:42:30,830
they bring forth authentic cases and

2181
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:32,420
which leads me to a question I had

2182
01:42:37,959 --> 01:42:35,270
wanted to ask you and that is the amount

2183
01:42:40,180 --> 01:42:37,969
of time you spend studying this topic

2184
01:42:42,959 --> 01:42:40,190
was it worth all the time you put into

2185
01:42:47,709 --> 01:42:45,520
the only motive it certainly isn't money

2186
01:42:49,770 --> 01:42:47,719
and it certainly isn't fame and fortune

2187
01:42:53,740 --> 01:42:49,780
who in the world wants that over this

2188
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:53,750
you know you lose don't even go into

2189
01:42:58,750 --> 01:42:56,210
what you lose I mean because if your

2190
01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:58,760
family isn't into it it's really

2191
01:43:04,810 --> 01:43:02,480
difficult the thing is this that I want

2192
01:43:07,959 --> 01:43:04,820
to know uh it's like Close Encounters

2193
01:43:10,270 --> 01:43:07,969
when Roy Neary goes up to the government

2194
01:43:17,050 --> 01:43:10,280
says tell me what's going on I want to

2195
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:17,060
know do you remember that in the ground

2196
01:43:22,510 --> 01:43:19,370
tell me tell me well nobody's going to

2197
01:43:24,189 --> 01:43:22,520
tell you right it's big top secret so

2198
01:43:26,260 --> 01:43:24,199
the only way you could figure it out

2199
01:43:28,570 --> 01:43:26,270
it's put the pieces of the puzzle to the

2200
01:43:31,300 --> 01:43:28,580
they're connected us which is my first

2201
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:31,310
book connecting the dots make any sense

2202
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:34,850
of the UFO and then reading read jocks

2203
01:43:41,050 --> 01:43:37,280
book or jock actually connects all the

2204
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:41,060
dots job Jack's books forbidden I think

2205
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:43,250
it's called forbidden science vol 1 that

2206
01:43:48,250 --> 01:43:45,290
she vol 3 is the best because it's the

2207
01:43:52,930 --> 01:43:48,260
most current but you know he's connected

2208
01:43:54,910 --> 01:43:52,940
so many dots in there and and I I just

2209
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:54,920
you know I just want to figure it out

2210
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:56,570
it's like a detective

2211
01:44:02,050 --> 01:43:59,840
that's the only reason and to realize

2212
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:02,060
that in the end when we mentioned

2213
01:44:08,710 --> 01:44:06,170
consciousness you need Frank are part of

2214
01:44:12,700 --> 01:44:08,720
something greater they're part of

2215
01:44:15,570 --> 01:44:12,710
something huge in the cosmos in the

2216
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:15,580
cosmos so that that's the bottom line

2217
01:44:22,300 --> 01:44:19,730
um Paula if you could go back in your

2218
01:44:27,300 --> 01:44:22,310
UFO research and do anything differently

2219
01:44:34,030 --> 01:44:30,220
I'd have people with me it's really hard

2220
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:34,040
like a camera crew unlike somebody to

2221
01:44:41,020 --> 01:44:37,730
transcribe everything I need help like a

2222
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:41,030
crew a crew of people not run around all

2223
01:44:50,380 --> 01:44:48,880
love to be part of a same tank where

2224
01:44:52,150 --> 01:44:50,390
what you find out you'd go to the

2225
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:52,160
University or sit on you know in a

2226
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:53,690
conference room and everybody says tell

2227
01:44:57,940 --> 01:44:55,760
me what you think tell me what you think

2228
01:45:02,500 --> 01:44:57,950
coming from research you're not coming

2229
01:45:04,350 --> 01:45:02,510
from your brain what do you think I'd

2230
01:45:08,350 --> 01:45:04,360
love to be part of a serious situation

2231
01:45:11,230 --> 01:45:08,360
not not entertainment silly mess a doing

2232
01:45:14,290 --> 01:45:11,240
a race time about stuff it's I would

2233
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:14,300
love to be just sit around and say woody

2234
01:45:23,650 --> 01:45:16,570
what do you think is happening from all

2235
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:23,660
perspectives worldwide ok and if you had

2236
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:26,570
a message that you would leave the world

2237
01:45:34,450 --> 01:45:29,600
with if you had only one minute left to

2238
01:45:37,210 --> 01:45:34,460
live what would it be read I like that I

2239
01:45:39,730 --> 01:45:37,220
like that I'm a strong proponent about

2240
01:45:40,189 --> 01:45:39,740
myself I'm a reader so I know what you

2241
01:45:42,890 --> 01:45:40,199
need

2242
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:42,900
well yeah Hynek wrote a book read Hynix

2243
01:45:46,549 --> 01:45:44,249
book if Charles Hall wrote a book

2244
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:46,559
readers book the book on Billy Mayer is

2245
01:45:51,229 --> 01:45:48,719
called it's still night I read Colin

2246
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:51,239
Andrews book go to the source go to the

2247
01:45:58,580 --> 01:45:55,679
source and read the source right yeah

2248
01:46:00,589 --> 01:45:58,590
you know I so I'll go on to Facebook

2249
01:46:02,359 --> 01:46:00,599
like anybody and when I'm scrolling down

2250
01:46:04,879 --> 01:46:02,369
the timeline of Facebook

2251
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:04,889
I'll see these articles that say the

2252
01:46:08,689 --> 01:46:06,690
title of the article and it'll say two

2253
01:46:12,529 --> 01:46:08,699
minute read or three minute rate because

2254
01:46:15,649 --> 01:46:12,539
people are so unwilling to spend their

2255
01:46:18,140 --> 01:46:15,659
discretionary time to just read just

2256
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:18,150
just read it you know the article or the

2257
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:21,090
book they want to be payable to and be

2258
01:46:25,609 --> 01:46:23,130
told all these cheap notes on something

2259
01:46:28,540 --> 01:46:25,619
yeah and tell me something go ahead who

2260
01:46:31,069 --> 01:46:28,550
would you hire who is your an aerospace

2261
01:46:33,799 --> 01:46:31,079
who would you hire they didn't do the

2262
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:33,809
studying if you're an anthropology who

2263
01:46:43,279 --> 01:46:36,090
would you hire that didn't study the

2264
01:46:45,589 --> 01:46:43,289
subject seriously yeah that says they

2265
01:46:49,330 --> 01:46:45,599
didn't want to read a book right that's

2266
01:46:51,799 --> 01:46:49,340
that's a good question I agree

2267
01:46:54,500 --> 01:46:51,809
Frank did you have any questions I've

2268
01:46:57,469 --> 01:46:54,510
been got you guys were rolling and

2269
01:46:58,370 --> 01:46:57,479
before before we wrap up the shot Paul I

2270
01:47:00,109 --> 01:46:58,380
don't know if you want to hang around

2271
01:47:08,810 --> 01:47:00,119
this but I've got a little something

2272
01:47:11,239 --> 01:47:08,820
related to where I am 95% sure the best

2273
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:11,249
UFO data gathered by the governor

2274
01:47:19,279 --> 01:47:14,729
military is going and I do want to get

2275
01:47:20,509 --> 01:47:19,289
to that I'm ready to get to that every

2276
01:47:22,969 --> 01:47:20,519
Paul if you want to hang around and

2277
01:47:26,779 --> 01:47:22,979
listen to this you're more than welcome

2278
01:47:28,750 --> 01:47:26,789
but I do want to get to it can't do you

2279
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:28,760
mind if I ask her when does a question

2280
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,400
your heart okay if you could say

2281
01:47:38,180 --> 01:47:34,800
anything about just the topic of you

2282
01:47:41,959 --> 01:47:38,190
apology in general aside from read Paul

2283
01:47:44,330 --> 01:47:41,969
what would you say if we are part of

2284
01:47:48,649 --> 01:47:44,340
something greater like I just mentioned

2285
01:47:50,989 --> 01:47:48,659
and we are not just mere humans walking

2286
01:47:53,390 --> 01:47:50,999
on this planet and our history has to be

2287
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:53,400
totally rewritten if you watch ancient

2288
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:54,530
aliens

2289
01:48:01,660 --> 01:47:58,560
wouldn't you want to know and this is

2290
01:48:05,060 --> 01:48:01,670
the last thing I can really say it's

2291
01:48:08,839 --> 01:48:05,070
have some intellectual curiosity go to

2292
01:48:10,669 --> 01:48:08,849
the source and hang around with people

2293
01:48:12,919 --> 01:48:10,679
that are studying this seriously and

2294
01:48:17,379 --> 01:48:12,929
take it away from the entertainment

2295
01:48:20,510 --> 01:48:17,389
industry and and making it a circus or

2296
01:48:23,149 --> 01:48:20,520
entertainment or silliness and it's

2297
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:23,159
probably the most important subject as

2298
01:48:28,490 --> 01:48:26,130
Robert Dean would say connected with

2299
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:28,500
humanity it's the most important subject

2300
01:48:32,899 --> 01:48:31,050
you can research and unfortunately guys

2301
01:48:35,740 --> 01:48:32,909
I gotta go cuz it went longer than I

2302
01:48:39,589 --> 01:48:37,040
yeah

2303
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:39,599
thank you very much Paula we are very

2304
01:48:50,270 --> 01:48:43,650
grateful to everybody

2305
01:48:51,919 --> 01:48:50,280
bye-bye bye-bye okay well thanks a chant

2306
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:51,929
that was a really good interview that

2307
01:48:56,180 --> 01:48:54,449
was very interesting thank you that was

2308
01:48:59,060 --> 01:48:56,190
thoroughly enjoyable and I learned a lot

2309
01:49:02,359 --> 01:48:59,070
yep absolutely absolutely so and now we

2310
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,369
want to get to the part of the show that

2311
01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:04,560
we've got running across on the news

2312
01:49:11,419 --> 01:49:06,840
feed where I'm gonna discuss a little

2313
01:49:13,250 --> 01:49:11,429
bit about where the very best evidence

2314
01:49:17,330 --> 01:49:13,260
and when I say very best evidence I'm

2315
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:17,340
talking about the radar data I'm talking

2316
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:19,489
about the gun camera footage

2317
01:49:24,919 --> 01:49:22,770
much better much more convincing much

2318
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:24,929
less ambiguous footage than we've seen

2319
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:28,080
released over the last year or so the

2320
01:49:33,229 --> 01:49:30,810
actual witness accounts where does that

2321
01:49:35,570 --> 01:49:33,239
data go that's gathered by the US

2322
01:49:40,339 --> 01:49:35,580
military we know they're doing it where

2323
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:40,349
does it go where is this central

2324
01:49:45,709 --> 01:49:42,210
repository now I'm a hundred percent

2325
01:49:47,060 --> 01:49:45,719
convinced that such a place exists so

2326
01:49:49,370 --> 01:49:47,070
there's no doubt in my mind that it

2327
01:49:54,669 --> 01:49:49,380
exists somewhere but we're in this

2328
01:49:58,189 --> 01:49:54,679
gigantic military operation does it go

2329
01:50:01,939 --> 01:49:58,199
and based on a little bit of research on

2330
01:50:05,330 --> 01:50:01,949
95 percent convinced that the central

2331
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:05,340
repository for the very best UF data UFO

2332
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:06,400
data

2333
01:50:18,109 --> 01:50:10,239
- are you ready drum roll please drum

2334
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:18,119
roll I'm okay it goes to the Joint Base

2335
01:50:27,209 --> 01:50:22,560
anacostia-bolling in Washington DC

2336
01:50:30,660 --> 01:50:27,219
well that's where I think it goes so

2337
01:50:32,430 --> 01:50:30,670
yeah I know a lot of folks at home as

2338
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:32,440
soon as I said that there I knew it I

2339
01:50:34,850 --> 01:50:33,130
knew it all along

2340
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:34,860
you're right of course the Joint Base

2341
01:50:38,910 --> 01:50:37,449
anacostia-bolling but I will go into a

2342
01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:38,920
little bit of background about what goes

2343
01:50:46,169 --> 01:50:42,760
on there and that is obviously a big

2344
01:50:48,330 --> 01:50:46,179
part of what convinced me I'm sorry I

2345
01:50:49,950 --> 01:50:48,340
want I want you to spell that because

2346
01:50:51,899 --> 01:50:49,960
there's some people who might hear it

2347
01:50:54,839 --> 01:50:51,909
and hear it kind of roll off your tongue

2348
01:50:59,609 --> 01:50:54,849
when you say Anacostia Bolling it is a

2349
01:51:01,649 --> 01:50:59,619
and a co STI a - B's and baby Oh double

2350
01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:01,659
Li and G is that correct that is correct

2351
01:51:08,430 --> 01:51:04,630
that virtually now what it is it's a

2352
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:08,440
joint naval and Air Force Base so yeah

2353
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:11,170
Anacostia was a naval well still is a

2354
01:51:16,379 --> 01:51:14,050
Naval Support Facility and balling is of

2355
01:51:18,270 --> 01:51:16,389
course balling Air Force Base now what

2356
01:51:20,850 --> 01:51:18,280
Boeing Air Force Base has an interesting

2357
01:51:22,979 --> 01:51:20,860
history related to UFOs a couple of

2358
01:51:27,770 --> 01:51:22,989
interesting things came out from there

2359
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:27,780
going back to the early 50s during the

2360
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:33,070
Washington DC UFO case of 1952 the head

2361
01:51:37,979 --> 01:51:34,719
of a project Bluebook at that time

2362
01:51:40,919 --> 01:51:37,989
Captain Edward ruppelt happened to be in

2363
01:51:43,050 --> 01:51:40,929
town he was stationed at the

2364
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:43,060
wright-patterson Air Force Base Blue

2365
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:46,570
Book was under the umbrella of the a

2366
01:51:51,629 --> 01:51:49,510
tick the air technical Intelligence

2367
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:51,639
Center but he happened to be in town and

2368
01:51:57,149 --> 01:51:54,010
when he was briefed on the goings on

2369
01:51:59,729 --> 01:51:57,159
over Washington DC back in July of 1952

2370
01:52:01,740 --> 01:51:59,739
that's where he received his briefing at

2371
01:52:03,419 --> 01:52:01,750
Boeing Air Force Base so that's a little

2372
01:52:09,709 --> 01:52:03,429
bit interesting a little bit of history

2373
01:52:12,209 --> 01:52:09,719
and also in the 90s the Bill Clinton had

2374
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:12,219
requisitioned a report on the Roswell

2375
01:52:18,089 --> 01:52:15,489
crash from the Air Force and that report

2376
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:18,099
was generated also out of balling Air

2377
01:52:21,939 --> 01:52:19,280
Force

2378
01:52:24,219 --> 01:52:21,949
that is the location for the air force

2379
01:52:27,330 --> 01:52:24,229
the headquarters for the Air Force

2380
01:52:29,739 --> 01:52:27,340
historical Support Division that is the

2381
01:52:31,419 --> 01:52:29,749
organization that generated that report

2382
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,429
for Clinton that a lot of people have

2383
01:52:35,469 --> 01:52:33,199
ripped and he asked what about the

2384
01:52:37,870 --> 01:52:35,479
bodies and so on and so forth but that

2385
01:52:40,779 --> 01:52:37,880
is there and also another interesting

2386
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:40,789
little aside that balling Air Force Base

2387
01:52:45,069 --> 01:52:43,610
is also the headquarters for a fuzzy the

2388
01:52:47,739 --> 01:52:45,079
Air Force Office of Special

2389
01:52:49,509 --> 01:52:47,749
Investigations now I'm going to get to

2390
01:52:54,129 --> 01:52:49,519
the map here we're gonna take a closer

2391
01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:54,139
look at balling yeah at the Anacostia

2392
01:52:59,649 --> 01:52:56,840
Bolling Joint Base they're the bases

2393
01:53:01,149 --> 01:52:59,659
were merged I believe in the 1990s now

2394
01:53:02,020 --> 01:53:01,159
if you look at the map you'll see off to

2395
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:02,030
the left

2396
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:04,880
very interesting facility over there the

2397
01:53:11,020 --> 01:53:07,130
Naval Research Laboratory that

2398
01:53:14,140 --> 01:53:11,030
particular lab is under the umbrella of

2399
01:53:17,339 --> 01:53:14,150
the Office of Naval Research now the

2400
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:17,349
Office of Naval Research has been around

2401
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:20,239
well since before World War two I didn't

2402
01:53:23,529 --> 01:53:22,130
check the the exact date when it was

2403
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:23,539
founded my guess is probably around

2404
01:53:29,679 --> 01:53:27,170
World War one but that has never changed

2405
01:53:31,810 --> 01:53:29,689
names it has been the naval of the

2406
01:53:34,449 --> 01:53:31,820
Office of Naval Research and it

2407
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:34,459
continues to be to this very day going

2408
01:53:40,959 --> 01:53:37,489
way back to the immediate post-world War

2409
01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:40,969
two period the titanium industry was

2410
01:53:45,879 --> 01:53:44,150
founded in the the commercial titanium

2411
01:53:49,390 --> 01:53:45,889
industry I should say was founded in

2412
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:49,400
December 1948 a year and a half after

2413
01:53:53,500 --> 01:53:51,050
the Roswell crash

2414
01:53:56,410 --> 01:53:53,510
now this Naval Research Lab studies

2415
01:54:00,509 --> 01:53:56,420
things like plasma space physics and

2416
01:54:03,219 --> 01:54:00,519
material sciences again getting back to

2417
01:54:06,370 --> 01:54:03,229
the founding of the titanium industry

2418
01:54:09,729 --> 01:54:06,380
which I think quite possibly could have

2419
01:54:12,879 --> 01:54:09,739
been prompted by discovering that the

2420
01:54:15,330 --> 01:54:12,889
Roswell craft that crashed might well

2421
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,340
have been made out of in some part

2422
01:54:20,129 --> 01:54:17,360
titanium there was no commercial

2423
01:54:23,979 --> 01:54:20,139
industry for it before December of 1948

2424
01:54:26,679 --> 01:54:23,989
the Office of Naval Research is also

2425
01:54:31,179 --> 01:54:26,689
involved in the development of nitinol

2426
01:54:32,510 --> 01:54:31,189
which is a shape-memory alloy that it

2427
01:54:39,140 --> 01:54:32,520
was developed in the early

2428
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:39,150
1960s that was all so let me see here

2429
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,170
how can i how can i phrase this that

2430
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:44,400
well there the shape memory alloy

2431
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:46,890
somewhat mimic some of the descriptions

2432
01:54:52,660 --> 01:54:50,250
of morphing metal that were described by

2433
01:54:55,550 --> 01:54:52,670
various and sundry roswell witnesses and

2434
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:55,560
also some of the other things that the

2435
01:55:00,770 --> 01:54:56,970
office of naval research has been

2436
01:55:04,370 --> 01:55:00,780
involved in is commissioning a study

2437
01:55:07,700 --> 01:55:04,380
from duke university on the capabilities

2438
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:07,710
of squid and octopus to camouflage

2439
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:11,130
themselves so that was if you are seeing

2440
01:55:16,010 --> 01:55:13,440
different films of a squid knocked up i

2441
01:55:17,660 --> 01:55:16,020
either in the wild or in the lab where

2442
01:55:20,090 --> 01:55:17,670
they are able to camouflage themselves

2443
01:55:22,490 --> 01:55:20,100
basically against their surroundings

2444
01:55:24,620 --> 01:55:22,500
very interesting work obviously they do

2445
01:55:26,660 --> 01:55:24,630
a lot more than just that and also have

2446
01:55:29,450 --> 01:55:26,670
you been keeping up on the recent

2447
01:55:33,380 --> 01:55:29,460
stories regarding a tip you know that

2448
01:55:37,730 --> 01:55:33,390
there was a release of a list of studies

2449
01:55:41,450 --> 01:55:37,740
conducted on behalf of a tip and among

2450
01:55:44,210 --> 01:55:41,460
them among others were papers are ever

2451
01:55:46,910 --> 01:55:44,220
guarding a camouflage so there's that

2452
01:55:49,970 --> 01:55:46,920
and perhaps most interesting of all at

2453
01:55:52,540 --> 01:55:49,980
this facility right snap a smack dab in

2454
01:55:54,890 --> 01:55:52,550
the center is the headquarters of the

2455
01:55:58,850 --> 01:55:54,900
defense intelligence agency

2456
01:56:02,360 --> 01:55:58,860
so got a few things there and like i

2457
01:56:07,310 --> 01:56:02,370
said i am not quite convinced 95%

2458
01:56:10,130 --> 01:56:07,320
certain that the best UFO data that the

2459
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:10,140
military gathers goes somewhere and i

2460
01:56:16,610 --> 01:56:13,110
believe that somewhere to be the Joint

2461
01:56:20,780 --> 01:56:16,620
Base anacostia-bolling so that's our

2462
01:56:23,180 --> 01:56:20,790
little little bit of news for today that

2463
01:56:25,460 --> 01:56:23,190
we've generated ourselves here the

2464
01:56:28,610 --> 01:56:25,470
reason I put it out now and again I am

2465
01:56:30,710 --> 01:56:28,620
NOT a hundred percent sure but just in a

2466
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:30,720
couple of days of doing a little bit of

2467
01:56:35,330 --> 01:56:32,730
research I've had the opportunity to

2468
01:56:38,860 --> 01:56:35,340
come across what goes on at this base

2469
01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:38,870
and like I say I'm 95 percent sure that

2470
01:56:44,090 --> 01:56:42,840
this is where the best information goes

2471
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:44,100
and I put that out there because

2472
01:56:48,860 --> 01:56:46,290
obviously we want to get a few other

2473
01:56:49,460 --> 01:56:48,870
eyes on the situation that have them

2474
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:49,470
take a look

2475
01:56:53,810 --> 01:56:52,050
get some researchers on this I'm gonna

2476
01:56:56,330 --> 01:56:53,820
continue to keep looking at any kind of

2477
01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:56,340
updates I might have I'm certainly gonna

2478
01:56:59,060 --> 01:56:57,540
bring them out here we're not gonna

2479
01:56:59,600 --> 01:56:59,070
waste any time and we're gonna get right

2480
01:57:01,220 --> 01:56:59,610
to it

2481
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:01,230
even though like I said don't have this

2482
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:04,320
100% pinned down but I think it's a lead

2483
01:57:07,340 --> 01:57:06,000
it's a lead for us some of the

2484
01:57:11,540 --> 01:57:07,350
researchers that are listening out there

2485
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:11,550
and I think that the closer we look at

2486
01:57:16,190 --> 01:57:13,530
this particular facility of what goes on

2487
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:16,200
there they will become apparent as time

2488
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:20,250
goes on that that is where the central

2489
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:23,130
repository of the best UFO data gathered

2490
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:28,320
by the military ends up so there so for

2491
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:28,800
the day

2492
01:57:33,740 --> 01:57:31,890
they're instrumental is that kind I

2493
01:57:36,350 --> 01:57:33,750
think that is the like I said I think

2494
01:57:39,620 --> 01:57:36,360
that is the central repository now all

2495
01:57:41,900 --> 01:57:39,630
the hard drives when we had PJ on our

2496
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:41,910
show a couple weeks back talking about

2497
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:45,840
how he was on the Nimitz and how the Air

2498
01:57:50,810 --> 01:57:49,050
Force officers that came off the

2499
01:57:52,970 --> 01:57:50,820
mainland and came onto the ship and

2500
01:57:55,670 --> 01:57:52,980
gathered up the hard drives I think

2501
01:57:57,770 --> 01:57:55,680
those hard drives end up their hard

2502
01:58:01,720 --> 01:57:57,780
drive so again with the radar data with

2503
01:58:04,910 --> 01:58:01,730
the gun camera footage with the

2504
01:58:07,220 --> 01:58:04,920
interviews of witnesses and so on it

2505
01:58:08,510 --> 01:58:07,230
goes somewhere I'm certain of that where

2506
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:08,520
is that somewhere it's got to be

2507
01:58:13,100 --> 01:58:11,250
somewhere I think that is the location

2508
01:58:15,410 --> 01:58:13,110
of the somewhere well it is an

2509
01:58:19,250 --> 01:58:15,420
interesting timeline of the Office of

2510
01:58:21,020 --> 01:58:19,260
Naval Research called onr was created

2511
01:58:26,090 --> 01:58:21,030
with the blessings of President Harry

2512
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:26,100
Truman August 1st of 1946 and it

2513
01:58:29,690 --> 01:58:28,170
executes its mission through science and

2514
01:58:31,250 --> 01:58:29,700
technology departments corporate

2515
01:58:34,370 --> 01:58:31,260
programs and naval research laboratory

2516
01:58:39,170 --> 01:58:34,380
and the Office of Naval Research global

2517
01:58:42,980 --> 01:58:39,180
office regarding the nitinol which is

2518
01:58:46,010 --> 01:58:42,990
nickel 2 titanium part of a shape memory

2519
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:46,020
alloy it's a metal alloy of nickel and

2520
01:58:50,540 --> 01:58:47,730
titanium where the two elements are

2521
01:58:54,140 --> 01:58:50,550
present and roughly equal atomic

2522
01:58:55,550 --> 01:58:54,150
percentages what does that have to do

2523
01:58:56,630 --> 01:58:55,560
with anything does it have to do with

2524
01:58:58,640 --> 01:58:56,640
the

2525
01:59:01,100 --> 01:58:58,650
list that you were mentioning regarding

2526
01:59:03,890 --> 01:59:01,110
the AAT IP academic studies list and the

2527
01:59:05,810 --> 01:59:03,900
new discoveries I'd have to go back over

2528
01:59:08,090 --> 01:59:05,820
the list I don't think so but what

2529
01:59:10,610 --> 01:59:08,100
nitinol is is basically a shape memory

2530
01:59:15,620 --> 01:59:10,620
alloy it's a morphing metal essentially

2531
01:59:18,020 --> 01:59:15,630
which is described by some of the

2532
01:59:19,580 --> 01:59:18,030
Roswell witnesses that the metal of some

2533
01:59:22,730 --> 01:59:19,590
of the metal fragments that were found

2534
01:59:25,130 --> 01:59:22,740
also has those properties those shape

2535
01:59:28,820 --> 01:59:25,140
memory problems okay I see how you're

2536
01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:28,830
marrying that into background

2537
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:29,490
information

2538
01:59:35,570 --> 01:59:32,210
you know I understood okay got it

2539
01:59:38,540 --> 01:59:35,580
alright by the way did you want to say

2540
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:38,550
anything else about that AAT IP academic

2541
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:41,610
studies list not right now we'll be

2542
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:43,410
covering it in a little bit more detail

2543
01:59:48,350 --> 01:59:45,570
I think James is putting together a show

2544
01:59:48,830 --> 01:59:48,360
on that I will have a Danny Silva back

2545
01:59:52,060 --> 01:59:48,840
on again

2546
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:52,070
I believe Keith Bester field will be on

2547
01:59:58,640 --> 01:59:55,770
discussing that probably within roughly

2548
02:00:00,650 --> 01:59:58,650
the next month but I did want to get

2549
02:00:03,140 --> 02:00:00,660
this out there today like I said I think

2550
02:00:06,260 --> 02:00:03,150
it's a very good lead I think this is

2551
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:06,270
where the data goes so so there's that I

2552
02:00:10,820 --> 02:00:08,850
could be wrong but if I am hey tell me

2553
02:00:12,620 --> 02:00:10,830
tell me where the right place is because

2554
02:00:16,460 --> 02:00:12,630
I am a hundred percent convinced that

2555
02:00:18,260 --> 02:00:16,470
that best UFO data goes somewhere it's

2556
02:00:20,030 --> 02:00:18,270
gotta go somewhere that's a great way to

2557
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:20,040
put it if they think that you're wrong

2558
02:00:24,110 --> 02:00:21,840
maybe they should point you in the right

2559
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:24,120
direction exactly exactly so I'm

2560
02:00:29,210 --> 02:00:25,890
throwing it out there right now I'm

2561
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:29,220
confident like I said 95% confident that

2562
02:00:35,180 --> 02:00:32,400
this is the place but we will see if I'm

2563
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:35,190
wrong again I'd like to see I'd like to

2564
02:00:39,650 --> 02:00:36,810
I'd like to correct the answer so I'm

2565
02:00:41,450 --> 02:00:39,660
throwing it out there and any folks

2566
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:41,460
listening you want to do a little bit of

2567
02:00:45,950 --> 02:00:44,250
research by all means I'd get to it

2568
02:00:49,100 --> 02:00:45,960
let's say let's see what we come up with

2569
02:00:51,890 --> 02:00:49,110
because obviously the powers that be are

2570
02:00:53,690 --> 02:00:51,900
being really cooperative on all that but

2571
02:00:56,300 --> 02:00:53,700
we know if we know the data is there the

2572
02:00:58,100 --> 02:00:56,310
radar physical evidence of UFOs I've

2573
02:00:59,840 --> 02:00:58,110
been hammering that point home for a few

2574
02:01:02,180 --> 02:00:59,850
years now that's what it is it's

2575
02:01:04,970 --> 02:01:02,190
physical evidence form of remote sensing

2576
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:04,980
the gun camera footage much better gun

2577
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:07,830
camera footage then the FLIR and the

2578
02:01:11,070 --> 02:01:09,130
go-fast

2579
02:01:14,930 --> 02:01:11,080
videos that we've seen released so far

2580
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:14,940
much better much less ambiguous clearly

2581
02:01:18,930 --> 02:01:18,370
graphed not of this earth that kind of

2582
02:01:22,500 --> 02:01:18,940
material

2583
02:01:25,470 --> 02:01:22,510
is located somewhere again 95% sure at

2584
02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:25,480
this point that that place is the Joint

2585
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:27,430
Base anacostia-bolling

2586
02:01:32,010 --> 02:01:30,010
so we will see well we'll see if this

2587
02:01:33,780 --> 02:01:32,020
turns into anything like I say I think

2588
02:01:35,190 --> 02:01:33,790
it's a good lead I think it's worth your

2589
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:35,200
time to take a closer look at and

2590
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:36,970
obviously I'm going to be continuing to

2591
02:01:42,060 --> 02:01:39,840
do that as well so there we have it

2592
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:42,070
fantastic Frank well thank you very much

2593
02:01:50,610 --> 02:01:44,890
for ending on that note and I would also

2594
02:01:52,230 --> 02:01:50,620
like to thank Paula Harris the Italian

2595
02:01:53,970 --> 02:01:52,240
American photojournalist an

2596
02:01:55,860 --> 02:01:53,980
investigative reporter in the field of

2597
02:01:58,440 --> 02:01:55,870
UFOs and extraterrestrial related

2598
02:02:00,660 --> 02:01:58,450
phenomenon phenomena for having been on

2599
02:02:02,910 --> 02:02:00,670
our show today but you kept her engaged

2600
02:02:04,740 --> 02:02:02,920
she was she told us initially she'd have

2601
02:02:06,690 --> 02:02:04,750
an hour for us and that you kept her on

2602
02:02:09,140 --> 02:02:06,700
the line for about an hour 45 so

2603
02:02:11,730 --> 02:02:09,150
obviously she enjoyed talking to you

2604
02:02:14,670 --> 02:02:11,740
yeah she's a wonderful person and I

2605
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:14,680
would also like to mention that I look

2606
02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:16,800
forward to future interviews with her

2607
02:02:21,540 --> 02:02:19,360
all right so let's wrap it up we've hit

2608
02:02:23,610 --> 02:02:21,550
the two-hour mark let's wrap it up we've

2609
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:23,620
got more shows coming up next week we'll

2610
02:02:28,290 --> 02:02:25,930
start spamming and promoting them as a

2611
02:02:30,660 --> 02:02:28,300
little bit closer but for now I think I

2612
02:02:32,340 --> 02:02:30,670
think we had a good day great interview

2613
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:32,350
with Paula and some interesting

2614
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:34,450
information that hopefully provides some

2615
02:02:39,060 --> 02:02:36,970
leads to some of our other armchair

2616
02:02:40,710 --> 02:02:39,070
researchers or not so armchair

2617
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:40,720
researchers who are out there now

2618
02:02:45,150 --> 02:02:42,880
looking to find out more looking to gain

2619
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:45,160
knowledge as John Mack might say looking

2620
02:02:49,410 --> 02:02:47,170
to gain knowledge about this UFO subject

2621
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:49,420
so let's wrap it up thanks everybody for

2622
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:51,250
listening you have a great rest of the

2623
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:54,730
week and we will be back later next week

2624
02:02:58,950 --> 02:02:56,410
Thursday and Friday I think we've got a

2625
02:03:00,960 --> 02:02:58,960
couple shows lined up and more more is